I have my thoughts on who these people are, but I would like other people's thoughts on this subject. Pastor M. never actually says but only gives you a idea.
Kenites who and what?
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 peaceofsenerity |
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Senior Master Sickleman
Posts: 1279 (12/23/05 12:41:22) |
Hiya Peace!! here is a study that might help.
ourfathersword.org/ofwtares.htm the whole site is pretty good, at least what i've seen. it is linked from links on the front page of theseaon. Yah Bless and Merry CHRISTmas :) |
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Posts: 576 (12/23/05 14:02:49) |
I my self was thinking about the KENITES of today, and then I started looking at who is who in the television, and business industry, why was I hearing so much about the Jews taking over in hollywood?
I began to pay attention to who these people were, and I looked up some of the American Jews, in business, some of the names like: David Geffen, Brad Grey, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Keven Reilly, Zucker, Bob Wright etc; at askmen.com Then I looked in: American Jews I also paid attention to who the American Jews where associating themselves with, people like Steven Speilberg, Ang Lee, Peter Jackson, Woody Allen, George Clooney, there is an endless list of people who have the backings of the "Kenites". I was looking at a documentary of the great movie makers of the 1920's and up, on The History Channel, remember the name Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, the great movie makers? Goldwyn, was a Jew who came to America, during the time of early migrations to America, he married a catholic,and he was the subject of a lot of greediness, and wanting to bei n control of what the public saw, and about owning the whole of hollywood. He wanted to own all of the other movie makers, and they fought him tooth and nail. He eventually left Metro, and Mayer, and became a multimillionair, through usury. Goldwyn's name still stands in Hollywood. He has a daughter, and a son, who are still living, still carrying on their fathers business. Henry Ford wrote a lot of books on the behavior of the Jews in the Banking, and all around business doings during the time of his automoblie making. (I don't think he knew about the influence of the "Kenites", he just called them Jews.( which is bad for the true tribe of Judah) Those books are hard to find, because of the (subject) of his writings. Jews and the banking industry. |
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EDITED TO PREVENT ANY MISUNDERSTANDING OF INTENT.
Yes, Kenites exist. The term is used (singular and plural), to my knowledge, 12 times in God's Word. And, of course, it means descendants of Cain, the first murderer. However, they can obtain salvation the same as any human: by faith in Jesus Christ alone. In 1Chron. 2:55, for example, we know that Kenites had mixed in as scribes... "And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab." Blessings in Christ, H7 EDITED TO PREVENT ANY MISUNDERSTANDING OF INTENT. Luke 12:48
...For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. |
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Junior Watchman
Posts: 1986 (12/26/05 03:46:58) |
The debate concerning the ability to identify kenites comes down to what you believe the word "fruits" to mean.
Some believe it to mean works, others believe it to mean racial offspring. |
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Posts: 810 (12/26/05 05:10:58) Senior Master Wellmaster |
It depends on the subject. It can be used to mean both works and offspring.
Ps 104:13 13 He watereth the hills from his chambers: the earth is satisfied with the fruit of thy works. KJV Luke 1:42 42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. KJV Todd Madruga
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abbzeq |
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Junior Watchman
Posts: 1986 (12/28/05 04:05:11) |
Not so sure its that simple in respect to this particular topic Todd but I certainly understand your answer.
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Sis Marilyn |
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Junior Steward
Posts: 2258 (12/28/05 23:36:59) |
Good study>
www.angelfire.com/nv/TheO...ooks6.html Sis Marilyn Pro 24:3 Through wisdom is an house builded; and by understanding it is established:
Pro 24:4 And by knowledge shall the chambers be filled with all precious and pleasant riches.
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abbzeq |
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Junior Watchman
Posts: 1986 (12/29/05 05:18:20) |
My feelings on the subject of the word fruits as used in Mat may not be able to be prooven but they are rather interesting non the less.
The word fruit should make us all sit up and pay attention espeacially when it is used in direct relation to the sons of cain. Consider that a piece of fruit (apple) has been representing what truely happened in the garden of Eden many thousands of years ago. Consider that good figs and bad can also be considered to be fruit. consider terms like fruit of the loins(seedline). consider that the riddle of the kenites is central to unlocking the mysteries of the Bible(key of david). Christ spoke of an age old mystery when He spoke of the wheat and tares and as well the good and bad figs. Does it not seem rather strange to anyone else that the only verse in the Bible that gives us direct instructions concerning identifying kenites contains the word 'fruit'? This verse was written thousands of years after the fruit of cain(bad figs) were born to this earth. Most of us here understand acrostics and deeper meanings within verse. We are told there is a mystery concerning the kenites. I just think its all a little to 'coincidental' is all. |
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SisMarilyn
 for the link, clicked it, and read the article.How do I find the "Home Page" of the link you submitted?? Googled several things, but can't find?  sister in Christ Patricia |
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Senior Tiller
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Quote: Hi Patricia, try this: www.angelfire.com/nv/TheOliveBranch/ hope that helps! Daniel |
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Sis Marilyn |
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Junior Steward
Posts: 2258 (12/29/05 11:01:26) |
Thank You Daniel ,
That's the link. best study I have found on the subject. Sis Marilyn Pro 24:3 Through wisdom is an house builded; and by understanding it is established:
Pro 24:4 And by knowledge shall the chambers be filled with all precious and pleasant riches.
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Where did the OP go? I sure hope they plan on responding to all that was offered here.
pos wrote: >>>>I have my thoughts on who these people are, but I would like other people's thoughts on this subject. Pastor M. never actually says but only gives you a idea.<<< huh? This statement misrepresents Pastor Murray because he spells it out repeatedly - I'm sure you didn't mean that. But their identity is "the sons of Cain", i.e. kenites. That's who they are as a people. If you mean why doesn't he point to someone, I think that is self explanatory. Reine  |
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Posts: 18 (12/30/05 17:34:30) |
I agree Reine,
I don't think we are supposed to know exactly who and where they are. That would lead to people killing or whatever to rid the earth of them. We are told in the Parable of the Tares to leave them alone. It is for the angels to reap the Tares. In the mean time they are here to help YHVH accomplish His plan. Just my thoughts on it because of knowing a person who just found out about the Kenites and is fixated on identifying them. Not a good thing in this case. Love in Christ, babedollcat Those who kneel to the Lord...Can stand up to anything.
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Junior Seedsman
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I agree Reine. We shouldn't get too fixated on identifying exact people as kenites. Knowing the kind of people the elect tend to be I think they would have a hard time leaving them alone!! In my humble opinion.
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Posts: 907 (12/31/05 01:08:22) |
Gen 4:13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Gen 4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. Gen 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. agape
ben 2Ti 3:10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, 2Ti 3:11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. |
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abbzeq |
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Junior Watchman
Posts: 1986 (01/01/06 05:40:18) |
Its fine that you may or may not agree with me.
Personally though I would have to disagree that fixatinng on the identity of the kenites is a bad thing unless it is so severe that it is detracting you from understanding the rest of God's Word. The subject of the kenites should not be taken lightly as it is instrumental to understanding the general Plan of God. One should study the subject and study it hard until they have reached a satisfactory decision within their own hearts. Questioning the world around us is a natural and healthy process for free thinkers. Discovering the mystery of the kenites within God's Word clears up an awful lot of questions we have to deal with in our present situation on earth. I just hope that we dont shrug it all off as being something that we are to know very little about just because of its political incorrectness. Study God's Word hard and dont make any excuses for it=) |
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Koheleth153 |
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Not sure if you are addressing me abbzeg.
Probably should've explained myself. I prefer not muddling up His Word with my words. I was simply pointing out that killing a kenite is not a good thing. I agree with everything you just said. Blessings in Yahshua Immanuel. agape
ben 2Ti 3:10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, 2Ti 3:11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. |
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Sis Marilyn |
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Posts: 2258 (01/01/06 13:41:22) |
Dear Brother Ben, & All
>>Gen 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. << And> Mat 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? Mat 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. < We are to know there are tares in the world, and we will know them by their fruit, we are not to point at any race and say there they are, for they have joined all the races growing with the wheat as Jesus told us. Your first post Gen 4:15 hit the nail on the head, and Mat 13:30 tells us what do do.<<< Let us all keep this in mind> Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. www.angelfire.com/nv/TheO...ooks6.html Who are they who say they are Jews and are not but do lie, what do they do?> Mar 15:1 And straightway in the morning the chief priests held a consultation with the elders and scribes and the whole council, and bound Jesus, and carried him away, and delivered him to Pilate. Mar 15:2 And Pilate asked him, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answering said unto him, Thou sayest it. Mar 15:3 And the chief priests accused him of many things: but he answered nothing. Mar 15:4 And Pilate asked him again, saying, Answerest thou nothing? behold how many things they witness against thee. Mar 15:5 But Jesus yet answered nothing; so that Pilate marvelled. Mar 15:6 Now at that feast he released unto them one prisoner, whomsoever they desired. Mar 15:7 And there was one named Barabbas, which lay bound with them that had made insurrection with him, who had committed murder in the insurrection. Mar 15:8 And the multitude crying aloud began to desire him to do as he had ever done unto them. Mar 15:9 But Pilate answered them, saying, Will ye that I release unto you the King of the Jews? Mar 15:10 For he knew that the chief priests had delivered him for envy. Mar 15:11 But the chief priests moved the people, that he should rather release Barabbas unto them. Mar 15:12 And Pilate answered and said again unto them, What will ye then that I shall do unto him whom ye call the King of the Jews? Mar 15:13 And they cried out again, Crucify him. Mar 15:14 Then Pilate said unto them, Why, what evil hath he done? And they cried out the more exceedingly, Crucify him. Mar 15:15 And so Pilate, willing to content the people, released Barabbas unto them, and delivered Jesus, when he had scourged him, to be crucified. Mar 15:16 And the soldiers led him away into the hall, called Praetorium; and they call together the whole band. Mar 15:17 And they clothed him with purple, and platted a crown of thorns, and put it about his head, Mar 15:18 And began to salute him, Hail, King of the Jews! Mar 15:19 And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him. Mar 15:20 And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him, and put his own clothes on him, and led him out to crucify him. Mar 15:21 And they compel one Simon a Cyrenian, who passed by, coming out of the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to bear his cross. Mar 15:22 And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull. Mar 15:23 And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not. Mar 15:24 And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take. Mar 15:25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him. Mar 15:26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS. Mar 15:27 And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left. Mar 15:28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors. Mar 15:29 And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, Mar 15:30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross. Mar 15:31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save. Mar 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him. Mar 15:33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour. Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Mar 15:35 And some of them that stood by, when they heard it, said, Behold, he calleth Elias. Mar 15:36 And one ran and filled a spunge full of vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink, saying, Let alone; let us see whether Elias will come to take him down. Mar 15:37 And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost. Mar 15:38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom. Mar 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God. Mar 15:40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome; Mar 15:41 (Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him;) and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem. Mar 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath, Mar 15:43 Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus. Mar 15:44 And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead. Mar 15:45 And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph. Act 6:1 And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration. Act 6:2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables. Act 6:3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. Act 6:4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word. Act 6:5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch: Act 6:6 Whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, they laid their hands on them. Act 6:7 And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith. Act 6:8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people. Act 6:9 Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen. Act 6:10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake. Act 6:11 Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God. Act 6:12 And they stirred up the people, and the elders, and the scribes, and came upon him, and caught him, and brought him to the council, Act 6:13 And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law: Act 6:14 For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us. Act 6:15 And all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel. Act 7:1 Then said the high priest, Are these things so? Act 7:2 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran, Act 7:3 And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee. Act 7:4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell. Act 7:5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child. Act 7:6 And God spake on this wise, That his seed should sojourn in a strange land; and that they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years. Act 7:7 And the nation to whom they shall be in bondage will I judge, said God: and after that shall they come forth, and serve me in this place. Act 7:8 And he gave him the covenant of circumcision: and so Abraham begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat the twelve patriarchs. Act 7:9 And the patriarchs, moved with envy, sold Joseph into Egypt: but God was with him, Act 7:10 And delivered him out of all his afflictions, and gave him favour and wisdom in the sight of Pharaoh king of Egypt; and he made him governor over Egypt and all his house. Act 7:11 Now there came a dearth over all the land of Egypt and Chanaan, and great affliction: and our fathers found no sustenance. Act 7:12 But when Jacob heard that there was corn in Egypt, he sent out our fathers first. Act 7:13 And at the second time Joseph was made known to his brethren; and Joseph's kindred was made known unto Pharaoh. Act 7:14 Then sent Joseph, and called his father Jacob to him, and all his kindred, threescore and fifteen souls. Act 7:15 So Jacob went down into Egypt, and died, he, and our fathers, Act 7:16 And were carried over into Sychem, and laid in the sepulchre that Abraham bought for a sum of money of the sons of Emmor the father of Sychem. Act 7:17 But when the time of the promise drew nigh, which God had sworn to Abraham, the people grew and multiplied in Egypt, Act 7:18 Till another king arose, which knew not Joseph. Act 7:19 The same dealt subtilly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live. Act 7:20 In which time Moses was born, and was exceeding fair, and nourished up in his father's house three months: Act 7:21 And when he was cast out, Pharaoh's daughter took him up, and nourished him for her own son. Act 7:22 And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds. Act 7:23 And when he was full forty years old, it came into his heart to visit his brethren the children of Israel. Act 7:24 And seeing one of them suffer wrong, he defended him, and avenged him that was oppressed, and smote the Egyptian: Act 7:25 For he supposed his brethren would have understood how that God by his hand would deliver them: but they understood not. Act 7:26 And the next day he shewed himself unto them as they strove, and would have set them at one again, saying, Sirs, ye are brethren; why do ye wrong one to another? Act 7:27 But he that did his neighbour wrong thrust him away, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge over us? Act 7:28 Wilt thou kill me, as thou diddest the Egyptian yesterday? Act 7:29 Then fled Moses at this saying, and was a stranger in the land of Madian, where he begat two sons. Act 7:30 And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush. Act 7:31 When Moses saw it, he wondered at the sight: and as he drew near to behold it, the voice of the Lord came unto him, Act 7:32 Saying, I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. Then Moses trembled, and durst not behold. Act 7:33 Then said the Lord to him, Put off thy shoes from thy feet: for the place where thou standest is holy ground. Act 7:34 I have seen, I have seen the affliction of my people which is in Egypt, and I have heard their groaning, and am come down to deliver them. And now come, I will send thee into Egypt. Act 7:35 This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush. Act 7:36 He brought them out, after that he had shewed wonders and signs in the land of Egypt, and in the Red sea, and in the wilderness forty years. Act 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. Act 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: Act 7:39 To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt, Act 7:40 Saying unto Aaron, Make us gods to go before us: for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him. Act 7:41 And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands. Act 7:42 Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness? Act 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon. Act 7:44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen. Act 7:45 Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David; Act 7:46 Who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob. Act 7:47 But Solomon built him an house. Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, Act 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? Act 7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things? Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Act 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: Act 7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it. Act 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. Act 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, Act 7:58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul. Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. Act 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep. Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: Luk 12:4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. Luk 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. Luk 12:6 Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God? Luk 12:7 But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows. Luk 12:8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. I am thinking out loud again! What are we to be doing? Spreading the Good News>  Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Warning against the so called rapture. Can we pin point who the kenites are, we know them by their fruit and they are among us. Our Father is in control and He has the victory! To God be the Glory! Sis Marilyn Faith Alone (In Christ Jesus);
Grace Alone (Through His shed Blood);
Pro 24:3 Through wisdom is an house builded; and by understanding it is established:
Pro 24:4 And by knowledge shall the chambers be filled with all precious and pleasant riches.
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Posts: 1986 (01/02/06 19:20:48) |
I was just trying to get across the point that we shouldnt let political correctness get in the way of our discovering the mysteries that God has told us of in His Word.
I get a little scared when I see people start to back away from indepth study on a subject(espeacially one as important as the kenites(which literally opens the door to the rest of our Father's Word). It has always been my experience that studying the mystery of the kenites has never led to anything negative at all...in fact it always leads to a deeper attempt to understand the truth of the world around us which God has contained within His letter to us. Many people these days claim that we dont have to read the Book of Revelations for much the same reason. Perhaps fixating on the one subject that will open the door to the rest of Father's Word is not such a bad thing? Wasnt in reply to your post Koheleth=) I know we are not to get carried away with the subject but thats only AFTER we have spent many long hours researching it and prooving it to ourselves. To say that newer students should not spend alot of time on the subject is to say that they shouldnt spend alot of time considering the Key of David and the rest of the answers that will be given us by such acts of questioning. Im only disagreeing a little with a few prior posts on the subject...not meaning to single anyone out.....just my thoughts is all. I feel its a good thing for the newer student to become exceedingly interested in the mystery of the kenites and because of this the first question they will certainly ask is..who are these people?...the next question will be..who am I?...which will undoubtably lead to a knew and much more truthful understanding of Father's Word. As far as becoming fixated on the subject of physically identifying the kenites after we have studied the subject to a very deep degree I would certainly have to say that it would be taking away from our ability to learn all those other truths which Father has left for us to find in his Word and thus.....at that point....would become a detremental situation. I wouldnt get to worried about a newer student fixating on the subject because this Key of David is what opens up the many more of Father's Truths to us=) |
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Junior Watchman
Posts: 1986 (01/02/06 19:35:03) |
I guess I would just sum up my opinion by asking the question why would anyone be concerned about a newer student becoming overly interested in the one subject that will open up the rest of God's Truth to them? Since we all agree that the subject of understanding the mystery of the kenites is the Key of David.
We have been told by some Churchs that the Book of Revelations is not important enough to spend a great degree of time studying and look at the type of situation this has led to. I just get a little worried that the same thing may happen in relation to the subject of the kenites if we are not careful. God is in control.....yes, He is, but we must do our part to protect the Truth of His Word. I hope I have not offended anyone who has replied within this post. These are merely my opinions and something I have wanted to say for awhile. |
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