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Hi Bruce,

I read through the thread and in the latter pages even added my two cents. I agree with you that it has been the primary focus of recent as well as how it comes across to some (specially to new people).

If I summed up that thread I would say very simply that two students that are very well founded in the word and that have been substantial contributors to the café disagree on some of the terrain under the deep deep water. Their jabs are their style but the content is consistent and we can skim it. Most of the "calm down" commentary is from students that are focusing on the tone and not the content. I just think we have to look past that. Anytime personal attacks override righteous indignation the aftermath always hurts the writer more, and these petty fouls are how maturation takes place. It's very well possible that many people missed a very important lesson/detail of our upcoming events because they were focused on the articulation and feelings. I'm not saying we shouldn't try our best, I'm saying I believe these two are trying their best even if is sometimes seems like spitwads are flying across the room… SPLAT!!!!! See what I mean?

Having no confrontation is pleasant and honorable to strive for but there is a reason there is a Mercy Seat… we're independent thinkers to a common understanding. As a forum there is an endless list of links to click on and any particular thread is easily avoided by not clicking on the link. One non-step and the entire thing can be avoided if it offends. I'm very confident that both this forum oversight and His oversight are well aware of what is being discussed… I have been evaluating both sides with earnest intent because both are based upon the same SCN teachings. One of these, or some blend of both of these is in the doctrine for those that get in the same depth at these two.

Why is this important to us?

+ Most recently… there was a Lance character that was a very respected SCN student and he ended up with a following and then a terrible fall from our doctrine.

+ Most notable… There was a character that was so high up the chain he was a body guard to God and he leveraged the technicalities of the deep to convince 1/3 that his version of the doctrine was correct.

+ Most immanent… The greatest doctrinal test of the entire second earth age and culmination of humanity.

I want to know what these two think.

With much love,

Stephan

Hello Stephan.

I can tell when you say "these two", you're referring to Abbzeq and myself. I can not speak for Abbzeq, so, he will ultimately have to speak for himself. I can only speak for myself, and I will right now.

Since I have come to this board, I have had people point the finger at me in times past, as well as openly confront me in the open forum. What most people don't know is that there has been PM's that have also floated around about me. I have also taken notice of the subtle, but still very present jabs that people have taken towards me as well. IMHO, that shows the lack of maturity of some of the members of this board. It's bad enough that we have outsiders trying to tear the body of Christ apart, but it becomes especially dangerous when it's being done by members within the body.

Anyhow, there are certain attacks that I especially do not like, and just can't ignore. I do not appreciate it when people try to tell me (or Abbzeq) that we're unfounded in God's word concerning the knowledge of the kenties, and how they operate because what we say supposedly isn't written in Biblical scripture. Naturally, the kenites who are operating today are not mentioned in specific detail, nor by name or title in God's word. However, you are told to "count" (Psephizo) the number of the beast in Revelation chapter 13. So, in order to do that, you must study history, and note the dealings of the kenites through history, and up to the present in order to understand what is going on. I admit, I do not know everything about the history of the kenites, and some of it is deeply tangled (for obvious reasons). However, I do feel led by the spirit to share what I know, and that is all that I can do. If I can't fill in ALL the gaps, then hey, perhaps SOME filled gaps is better than NONE, right ? I'm almost positive that Abbzeq feels the same way on this, and I'll also go further to say that Abbzeq has probably studied the kenties in more depth even than I have.

If you've paid any attention to my postings in the past, then you would know one of my main areas of talent is understanding Biblical langauges. Why do I feel it's so important ? It's simple. While you can use a concordance to break any word in the English back to the Hebrew or Greek, still, that doesn't match having an in-depth submersion into the original languages. There is also a cultural mindset behind Biblical langauges that can not be gained without careful and crucial study of those langauges. I know this bothers and upsets some people, but it's true. Without inserting yourself into the mindset of the authors of the Bible, then you're really going to be missing some valuable gems of truth, and without that truth, you're knowledge of the Bible is incomplete. Our modern-western points of view stem largely from Greco-Roman sources and teachings. The Bible was not written from that perspective, nor was it written by the Greeks and Romans (or other early Indo-European peoples). It was written by the ancient Hebrews of the Bible.

Pastor Murray does NOT go into detail on this subject on the air, or in any of his works for that matter. Why you may ask ? Its simple. Pastor Murray tells you that his main objective is to teach God's word, not the history, theology, or langauges surrounding it. While each of those fields may yield additional fruits, still, it's not his primary objective. He leaves it to you, the student to do your own homework in those areas. Those that put in the labor and hard work in those areas will reap the benefits from it. It's as simple as that. Naturally, all gifts are for the service to God, and for the edification of the body of Christ as a whole. Hence, why I sometimes will go to great lengths to try to explain the more in-depth reasoning behind certain words, and their usage in scripture. If I didn't feel people would benefit from it, I wouldn't do it. It's that simple. The same thing can be said about my comments and posts regarding the serpent seed doctorine. This is also an area that Pastor Murray doesn't cover in extensive depth, for he leaves it up to the student to do some of the research on their own.

If you don't want to study any of the extra-cirricular areas of the Bible in-depth, then hey, thats fine. However, don't expect to see the blessings that comes from such extra work, and don't try to prevent people who have done the work in those areas from sharing what they've learned with others on this board. To do so, for whatever reason (jealousy, disbelief, personal grudges, etc) is to in fact disallow the Holy Spirt it's ability to speak through those people, and be a living witness unto others. Basically put, don't try to extinguish someone else whose holding the torch that sheds light in a dark area.

Swig, I'm calling it as I see it.

Yes, I said that if people are so eager to have a war on terror, then by all means, go join the military and do it yourself. If they don't, then they're being hypcritical. People who are so thristy for a war, but don't want to fight it theirselves really show their true colors. It's ok when its someone elses parents, children, friends and other family members that are over seas fighting these terrorists whom our government helped train, arm and fund, but God forbid if it were them (pro-war hawks) or their loved ones fighting the war.

For the record, let's define a hypocrite:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypocrite

From that link:

1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

These pro-war hawks who want to taste shed terrorist blood, but don't have the courage to do it theirselves, and want someone else to do their fighting for them fit this above description. It's ok when someone else is doing it, but God forbid you should ever have to do anything yourself.

As for casting pearls before swine, hey, thats Biblical. Christ gave that same message in Mathew chapter 7. Look it up for yourself if you don't believe me. If the shoe fits, then by all means.......wear it.

Oh, BTW, I'm not over here playing the victim. The real victim here is the truth, and how it has so-called "elect" members trying to extinguish it's light.

Scott, I'm going to say this one time, and one time only. You need to stop taking my words out of context, and trying to spin them into a weapon against me.

Read the McCain thread and look who I called idiots. It wasn't the SCN members I was directing that comment at. It was the idiots of this nation (the public collectively) who have driven it to it's current point between their perversion and terrible political choices. We're now paying the piper for what has occured, and our two choices for political office are proof of this.

I know Stephen, and I wasn't trying to sound "defensive" towards you. I know that you're defending me. I was only making some points crystal clear that I felt needed to be stated on "why" everything has culminated to the point it has.

It's all about simple truth. The truth is really simple, and you know it. Hence, why it upsets some people when it's revealed. We live in a world where Satan tries to blind people to simple common sense. Then, when someone manages to pull the wool away from others eyes, they sometimes get criticized for doing so because some people don't want to hear the simplicity of the truth.

Strange, eh ?

Anyways, what in particular did you want me or Abbzeq to comment on lol ? I think it's been lost in the midsts of all this.