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did God turn his back on Christ?

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Junior Fellowlaborer

Posts: 29

(07/17/08 05:16:14)

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my kids were invited to vacation bible school at a local church,so i taged along.me and my wife were brought into the adults class and started playing bible bingo. nice and fun, but every now and then the preacher would say things that i knew were not right.one of the things he said was that the reason it got dark when Jesus was crusified was that God turned his back on the son. now i know about psalm 22 and that Jesus taught this from the cross,i also know that satan acts in the darkness.but what im looking for is, somewhere in the new testament were jesus may have said "father will never leave me"or something equal to that.if there exists such a scripture, it will put this issue to rest.
thanks in advance,
love, terry yarbrough.

shuntmama

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Junior Miller

Posts: 1398

(07/17/08 05:58:28)

John 10

14I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Love in Christ, sarah

Give ear unto my words, oh Lord, consider my meditation. Psalm

seeclif

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Senior Noontender

Posts: 190

(07/17/08 14:31:09)

Hi Timpler,

This is a common blasphemous teaching in the churches today. Isnt that sad? As for God forsaking Christ, it is nonsense and is blasphmeous, but many churches continue to teach this. It just goes to show their ignorance. Christ was the Living Word, Christ was Emmanuel, God With Us. Christ could have called down thousands of angels to get him off that cross, he could have stopped his crucifixion at any time, but He knew what He was here to fulfill and do. Along with this false teaching, they also teach that when Christ was talking to Father that he asked this cup to be passed from him and that he was having a weak moment about the crucifixion and what was to happen. This is absolutely false too. What Christ was talking about was the cup of wrath that he will pour out when he returns to rule with an iron rod and not to be a lamb slain.

A great verse to document what Christ knew he was to do and fulfill is in Matthew 16:23. Christ was explaining to 3 of the disciples that he would be crucified and would return. Peter stated that he would not allow them to kill Christ and Christ said to Peter, Get behind Thee satan!! This proves Christ was here to fulfill being the Lamb Slain and to fulfill the prophecy of the Messiah and for the salvation of all. He had no doubts and Father never forsake him, for Christ was God With Us, the Living word. (Jhn 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Christ was the Logos, the Living Word.

Mat 16:21 ¶ From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

Mat 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Mat 16:24 ¶ Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

soundthealarm

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Major Master Servant

Posts: 3995

(07/17/08 19:48:53)

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Heb 13:5
5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
(KJV)

If He would not abandon us, He would not abandon Yeshua. He promised. He keeps His promises. To teach otherwise is to teach a lie. The CB says oud ou me. The strongest negative possible. By no means would He let go of those that are His.

Hebrews 13:5

[I will never leave nor forsake thee] [ou (grk 3756) mee (grk 3361) se (grk 4571) anoo (grk 507) oud' (grk 3761) ou (grk 3756) mee (grk 3361) se (grk 4571) engkatalipoo (grk 1459)]. Compare <Gen. 28:15; Josh. 1:5; Deut. 31:6>. None of these, however, give the saying in the form in which it appears here. This appears to be a combination or general adaptation of those passages. For "never," render "by no means" or "in no wise." [Anoo] (grk 507) from [anieemi] (grk 447). In <Acts 16:26; 27:40>, "to loosen:" <Eph. 6:9>, "to give up or forbear." Somewhat in this last sense here: "I will in no wise give thee up, or let thee go." I will not relax my hold on thee. For [engkatalipoo] (grk 1459), "forsake," see the note at <2 Tim. 4:10>
(from Vincent's Word Studies of the New Testament)

SoundtheAlarm
Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand

yakabunch

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Major Master Servant

Posts: 5076

(07/18/08 01:27:02)

John 16:32

32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.
KJV

this verse does not show that JESUS was to be forsaken by his FATHER, man forsaken HIM but not YHVH. in CHRIST, yaka.

Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.