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Interesting fine, I am sure as with anything of this nature it causes quite a stir. I don't know if it is authentic or not, this one thing I do know is
that the Word of God is all I need, I guess others need something more.
Any one handling the Talmud especially those scripture lawers probably never pick up a bible, I just don't believe them at all! Shocking rock!! um, not picking up a bible is shocking enough, It would have to be examined by christian scholars before I even started to look into it as a point of interest and even then it would be critically assayed by me.
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AS JESUS SAID... have you not READ. The New Testament did not exist when Jesus said this. It is written and has been written for thousands of years in the
books of the Prophets that he was coming and what would happen. For Jesus to be an ordinary person like you and I and to orchestrate his life as a
"conspiracy" to live and die as he did is ABSURD.
He raised the dead, healed all manner of sickness, calm the seas, walked on water, miracles that the world could not contain the books if they were written. Then as part of his "conspiracy" he got the Kenites and Romans to orchestrate his death as he wanted so he could fool people of his time that he was the Messiah. Let's not even mention that he DID raise from the dead and five hundred people witnessed his ascension back to Heaven. We lost thousands upon thousands of our brothers and sisters to lions and persecution...all for a "conspiracy". Read the Book of the Martyers it is both shocking and amazing. WHAT FOOLS THEY ARE AND WILL ALWAYS BE. NOW THEY MUST RETHINK THINGS BECAUSE THEY FOUND A ROCK...WHAT A JOKE. HOW CAN THEY CLAIM TO BE EXPERTS WHEN THEY HAVE NEVER LOOKED AT THE TEXT BOOK...THE BIBLE. Debra |
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Maybe I'm a little too thick, but I don't understand what the controversy is about. I mean the resurrection was covered in Psalms and Hosea. In short,
people knew about it long before it happened. "A three-foot-tall tablet with 87 lines of Hebrew that scholars believe dates from the decades just before
the birth of Jesus is causing a quiet stir in biblical and archaeological circles, especially because it may speak of a messiah who will rise from the dead
after three days." "Some Christians will find it shocking - a challenge to the uniqueness of their theology - while others will be comforted by the
idea of it being a traditional part of Judaism," Mr. Boyarin said. "Resurrection after three days becomes a motif developed before Jesus, which runs
contrary to nearly all scholarship." Contrary to nearly all scholarship? Its not contrary to Psalms, Hosea, Luke and Corinthians. Maybe if the scholars
spent more time with their Bibles they would have fewer shocks! 1Cr 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the
scriptures: What part of "according to scriptures" do these scholars not understand?
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Joyce and Mom |
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I don't see why such a find would be "shocking" at all. The prophecy of Christ was given through out the scriptures of the Old Testament. The
Jewish community of Jesus's day was (or at least should have been) well aware of these prophecies. Christ's first comming, death, and resurrection
should have been no shock to the Jewish community of the first century.
Furthermore, I fail to see where Christ's teachings drastically contradicted the common teachings of the Jewish community in his day. It's a known fact that Jesus was of both the tribe of Levi and Judah, and was born into the Jewish community. Thus, his culture and background was esentially Jewish. I don't see why it would be such a "shock" for teachings of the Jewish community to align with Christ's teachings. IMHO, it's just further evidence that our so-called "scholars" are so ignorant they can't see the forest for the trees.
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lol Scooter I would guess that pic is a fake. Here is some more on the story of the "inked stone" Me thinks someone is trying to get the people ready
for the anti-christ. Our Rock is of corse Jesus, who has already came and died and rose. The apostle Paul said we were to watch for the anti-christ to come first. Messianic message stirs debate Posted: Monday, July 07, 2008 4:50 PM by Alan Boyle AFP - Getty Images A foot-wide stone tablet is said to bear Jewish messianic messages from the first century B.C. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scriptural scholars are abuzz over a stone tablet that is said to bear previously unknown prophecies about a Jewish messiah who would rise from the dead in three days. But there are far more questions than answers about the tablet, which some have suggested could represent "a new Dead Sea Scroll in stone." Do the tablet and the inked text really date back to the first century B.C., as claimed? Where did the artifact come from? Can the gaps in the text be filled in to make sense? Is the seeming reference to a coming resurrection correct, and to whom does that passage refer? Finally, what impact would a pre-Christian reference to suffering, death and resurrection have on Christian scholarship? Such questions are being addressed this week in Jerusalem, at an international conference marking the 60th anniversary of the Dead Sea Scrolls' discovery. They're also being addressed in reports about the "Vision of Gabriel" tablet that have trickled out over the past few months. That trickle flooded onto the front page of The New York Times on Sunday, in a story that quoted one professor as saying some Christians would "find it shocking" that Jewish scriptures prefigured Christian theology. But Herschel Shanks, founder of the Biblical Archaeology Society and editor of the Biblical Archaeology Review, said that such a linkage really isn't surprising, let alone shocking. "The really unique thing about Christian theology is in the life of Jesus - but in the doctrines, when I was a kid, you had little stories about the Sermon on the Mount and the people listening to this saying, 'What is this man saying? I never heard anything like this! This is different,'" Shanks told me. "Today, this view is out. There are Jewish roots to almost everything in Christian experience." This revised view comes through loud and clear in the Dead Sea Scrolls, which chronicle the spiritual and even the sanitary practices of a Jewish sect that existed around the time of Jesus. It was the similarity to the style of the scrolls that first brought the "Vision of Gabriel" tablet to the attention of archaeologists. How the tablet came to light The 1-foot-wide, 3-foot-tall (30-by-90-centimeter) tablet has a checkered past: According to the tale that has been woven around the stone, it was found near Jordan's Dead Sea shore and sold by a Jordanian dealer to Israeli-Swiss collector David Jeselsohn a decade ago. A few years ago, Jeselsohn showed the stone to Ada Yardeni, an expert on ancient Semitic scripts, who consulted with another expert, Binyamin Elitzur. Yardeni's take on the tablet, published in the Hebrew-language journal Cathedra and in the Biblical Archaeology Review, was that the text was of a style going back to the late first century B.C. or the early first century A.D. - right around the time when Jesus would be growing up. The 87-line text was written in ink, not inscribed in the stone, and it was laid out just the way one would expect on a scroll, in two nearly even columns. "If it were written on leather (and smaller) I would say it was another Dead Sea Scroll fragment - but it isn't," Yardeni wrote. The text appears to be a set of apocalyptic pronouncements from a personage named Gabriel - hence the name given to the text, "The Vision of Gabriel" or "Gabriel's Revelations." Biblical Archaeology Review has put the Hebrew text as well as an English translation online. As you'll see by reading the text, there are so many gaps that it's hard to make out exactly what is being said - but even those fragments were intriguing to Israel Knohl, a Biblical scholar at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Back in the year 2000, Knohl had written a book titled "The Messiah Before Jesus," contending that there was plenty of Jewish precedent for the Christian messianic story. When Knohl read the Cathedra article and looked into the tablet further, he saw new evidence for his thesis: He reconstructed one phrase to read, "In three days, you shall live" - which would be an eerie parallel to the Christian account of Jesus' resurrection on the third day of his entombment. He deduced that the phrase was addressed by Gabriel to a "prince of princes" who was slain by an evil king. Based on his previous research, Knohl even suggested that the text referred to a Jewish rebel leader named Simon, who was killed by Herod's army in 4 B.C. Knohl laid out his case for interpreting Gabriel's vision last year in an essay for the Israeli newspaper Haaretz and wrote up a more scholarly analysis for April's issue of The Journal of Religion (which you can read by following the links from this Web page). He's also due to discuss the tablet this week during the Dead Sea Scrolls conference. The resurrection-in-three-days angle was the attention-getter for Sunday's Times report. But many steps in the scientific analysis of the tablet still have to be verified, starting with the origins of the stone and the inked text. Faith-based archaeology? "This story has the big caveat of 'where did it come from?'" Mark Rose, online editor for Archaeology magazine, told me. "Someone knows where it came from, someone found it, someone sold it." The field of biblical archaeology has had its share of controversies over artifacts that may or may not be genuine - most notably the ossuary of James and the "lost tomb of Jesus." Rose said the tablet would have to face the same kind of scrutiny - and could well end up in an archaeological limbo, neither verified nor debunked. "You want to look at these stories as having to do with faith? Well, there's a lot of faith involved," he said. Shanks, who was caught up in the earlier debate over the ossuary (a.k.a. the "Jesus box"), has faith that the tablet ultimately will prove genuine. Some of most exacting judges of antiquities have been taking a close look at the artifact - and the advance indications are that the tablet has been passing the tests so far. "I don't think that you'll find any competent scholar who will call it a forgery," Shanks said. What does it all mean? Even assuming that the stone tablet (and the ink writing) are accepted as dating back to the first century B.C., scholars will likely struggle over how the scriptural fragments are pieced together. Perhaps the best way to firm up Knohl's textual interpretation is to find parallel texts elsewhere, as others have done with the Dead Sea Scrolls. Then there's the question of what effect the "Vision of Gabriel" might have on Jewish and Christian belief. During the troubled times into which Jesus was born, Jews yearned for the rise of a messiah who would emerge as a powerful military leader and throw out the Roman-backed regime. "You have in Christian theology a very different kind of messiah, a messiah who's going to shed blood and atone for your sins," Shanks observed. "Where the hell did this come from, baby? Are there elements of this in Jewish messianism?" The Dead Sea Scrolls have already shown that the idea of a suffering messiah was part of the cultural milieu back then. If the tablet's text and its three-day messianic interpretation are verified, it could shrink the theological gap between pre-Christian Judaism and early Christianity even further. But that shouldn't come as a shock, Rose said. "Is this going to redefine the relationship between Judaism and Christianity? I don't think so," he said. Believers might say the "Vision of Gabriel" is yet another scriptural foreshadowing of Jesus' actual death and resurrection - while skeptics might say the text provides more evidence that the gospels fit into a tradition of untrue messianic tales. What do you think? Will the "Vision of Gabriel" become a religious bombshell? Will it fizzle out? Or will it turn out to be just one more interesting twist in the saga of scriptural scholarship? Feel free to weigh in with your comments below. |
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Oddly, the stone is not really a new discovery. It was found about a decade ago and bought from a Jordanian antiquities dealer by an Israeli-Swiss collector who kept it in his Zurich home.Isn't it amazing that you never hear about these finds immediately after they happen. It's always someone buying the object usually from some shady or anonymous antiquities dealer. Then many years later having it come to light. Sounds very fishy. God Bless Michael |
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(i had to re-add it again) - it stopped working - Overloading ones Donkey , (for some), just can't be helped. |
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more of the same. So sickening. They keep heaping their own fates upon themselves. (BTW, what an ugly Jesus, couldnt they found someone that fit the bill
better? I guess that is why they used this picture for this article) This stuff really tees me off, I can only imagine how angry our Father is.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,378523,00.html Pre-Christian Stone Tablet Foretells Resurrection Wednesday, July 09, 2008 E-Mail Print Share: AP An actor portraying Jesus carries a cross during a Good Friday procession in Mexico City in 2001. The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ has been called into question by a radical new interpretation of a tablet found on the eastern bank of the Dead Sea. The three-foot stone tablet appears to refer to a Messiah who rises from the grave three days after his death - even though it was written decades before the birth of Jesus. The ink is badly faded on much of the tablet, known as Gabriel's Vision of Revelation, which was written rather than engraved in the 1st century B.C. This has led some experts to claim that the inscription has been overinterpreted. • Click here to visit FOXNews.com's Archaeology Center. A previous paper published by the scholars Ada Yardeni and Binyamin Elitzur concluded that the most controversial lines were indecipherable. Israel Knohl, a biblical studies professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, argued Monday that line 80 of the text revealed Gabriel telling an historic Jewish rebel named Simon, who was killed by the Romans four years before the birth of Christ: "In three days you shall live, I, Gabriel, command you." RelatedStories Syria Returns Looted Ancient Monolith to Iraq Acoustics Expert: Cavemen Must Have Loved to Sing Experts: Tourists Threaten Inca Citadel of Macchu Picchu Archaeologists Find George Washington's Boyhood Home Archaeologists Recreate Aztec 'Whistles of Death' Professor Knohl contends that the tablet proves that messianic followers possessed the paradigm of their leader rising from the grave before Jesus was born. He said that the text "could be the missing link between Judaism and Christianity in so far as it roots the Christian belief in the resurrection of the Messiah in Jewish tradition." • Click here to read the rest of this story at the Times of London. |
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skooter942000 wrote: Oh....my....goodness.......isn't that a fact. Pastor would like that! |
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Hey Betty,
Does that ass talk too? LOL |
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It will! if you won't listen to our Father,
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And again;
July 11, 2008
Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
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. . . (Fulfilled at a later date)
- CHRIST showed this to us all, (when TEACHING in the gospels)
This is what CHRIST left ( - OUT)!!! (...focus on the red lettering)
JESUS CHRIST , (as savior) , "comes to redeem" = 1st Advent JESUS CHRIST, (as KING) , returns , ("to rule") = 2cd Advent ( - The dividing line is of course, in verse "TWO") Something that many , (have been blinded to) since HE walked the EARTH . . .Due to the TARES!!! (Um........ , "input") ( . . .and because of this, we now have salvation open to ALL - Peoples/John 3:16 - Salvation is not simply only for ISRAEL , and the single tribe of JUDAH!!! (I.E. - The so_called "JEWS" of today) . . .Not going deeper into this now The JEWS , (as all here know), are "one" tribe of 12 ( - or ONE TRIBE of 13 , - if you count Josephs double portion/blessing) "FATHER'S PLAN" (Is perfect) - Though i hate seeing the LIES that come from the TARES!!! (but ........... this will turn out positive in the END) - heck it already has!!!!!!!!! ...WE HAVE THE VICTORY ( - IN YESHUA) - satan lost out due to what MESSIAH accomplished on the CROSS) - salvation is open to "WHOMSOEVER WILL" ( ...accept it) Everything comes to those who "can-wait" "HE shall return" - all in GOOD-TIME ( ...Are you watching for it)? - But remember: (THE SPURIOUS MESSIAH, COMES FIRST)!!! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||