Adam isn't Cain's dad?

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anshku	Adam isn't Cain's dad?	Lead	[-]
Senior Fellowlaborer Posts: 61 (05/25/08 10:37:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None Someone said to me...: sister hmm: anyway - about murray anshku: yeah? sister hmm: do you agree with him sister hmm: that cain came from eve having sex with the devil sister hmm: Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. sister hmm: this is why i don't deal with murray sister hmm: he does not teach the Word sister hmm: the verse clearly shows cain is the son of adam This is why I'm here again. So what's up with Cain? I'd loove some scriptural references... Who are his parents? What would you tell me and this lady? ____ Siunausta, GodBless! Last Edited By: anshku 05/25/08 10:44:21. Edited 1 time.
skooter942000		#1	[-]
Senior Master Servant Posts: 3067 (05/25/08 11:21:49) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	-Hey anshku - See this link ...The Sin in the Garden. (_No_ Apples here) ==> http://theseason.yuku.com/topic/405 <== - i hope this helps Don
Tom4Light		#2	[-]
Junior Winnower Posts: 1134 (05/25/08 11:54:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	the verse clearly shows cain is the son of adam No it does not - the verse states that Eve is the wife of Adam. Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. This verse has nothing to do with the fleshly father of Cain. - Tom Psa 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
The Dark Knight		#3	[-]
Senior Master Sickleman Posts: 1083 (05/25/08 15:43:18) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Anshku, do you honestly know what happened in the Garden of Eden ? Adam and Eve were both naked, and they didn't know it. After their intercourse with Satan and their "partaking" of the tree of knowledge of good and evil THEN they realized they were naked, and were ashamed. There is no shame in nudity itself. Sin brings shame, and if they were ashamed of their nudity, then that gives you an idea of what the sin was commited with. They also sewed fig leaves together to make aprons to cover their nakedness. This proves that Adam and Eve realized what they did was wrong. If they didn't know, then they wouldn't be ashamed, nor would they be trying to cover it up. All of this is documented in Genesis chapter 3. I find it amusing how so-called "scholars" to quote Genesis 4:1 to disprove the ENTIRE serpent seed doctorine. The Serpent seed doctorine spans the entire length of the Bible, and through both testaments. It begins in the book of Genesis, and continues through the Bible all the way until the book of Revelation. But, oh no......that doctorine can't be right if 1.....I repeat 1 verse "appears" or "seems to be" in contradiction with the teaching. It goes to show how ignorant so-called "scholars" are. Anyways, verse 1 of Genesis chapter 4 is telling us that Adam knew his wife, and she concieved, and did bare Cain. However, we have no take verse 2 with this. Verse 2 stipulates that Eve "again" bore Cain's brother Abel. The word "again" in Genesis 4:2 is "Yasaf" in Hebrew. It means "to continue in labor". Look it up. You'll see what I'm talking about. Eve continued in labor after having given birth to Cain, and then gave birth to Abel. In other words, Cain and Abel were twins concieved by seperate fathers. This is medically possible, and it has happened before. It can be documented. *Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.*
MMiller777	Re: Adam isn't Cain's dad?	#4	[-]
Senior Master Tiller Posts: 121 (05/25/08 17:40:17) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I used to have a lot of problems with this until I realized the following. The fallen angels were able to have children. That's why the flood of Noah happen. Satan is an angel so he would be able to as well. Satan gave her the fruit and she gave the same fruit to Adam Paternal twins is documented. These are twins by different fathers. This can be caused by having multiple partners in a short period of time. Also, a little common sense. Why did they cover their private parts with fig leaves? Because the sin had to do with their private parts. Why wouldn't they have covered their mouths if they had eaten something that caused the sin.
Katabole		#5	[-]
Junior Tiller Posts: 107 (05/25/08 18:19:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Jesus tells a parable about the Kenites in Matthew 13, the parable of the weeds. Jesus tells the parable and then explains it literally. When He says: Matt 13:38, The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39, The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. And then He adds in John 8: John 8:44, Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And then John writes: 1John 3:12, Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous. It is so blatantly obvious that Cain is Satan's son. Show these verses to your friend, they should do a lot to shine truth. Hope that helps. Psalm 147:5, Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite.
vettesn	serpent seed	#6	[-]
Junior Seedsman Posts: 576 (05/25/08 20:29:25) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I think the scripture Gen 3:15 is also good for this discussion. And I will put enmity between thee (Satan) and the woman, and between thy (Satan/Serpent "seed") and her (Eve) seed;... verse 16 goes on to Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy "conception"; ..... Why is God speaking of seed and conception other than something sexual took place in that garden. There is no doubt in my mind when you pull "ALL" the scriptures in OT and NT on this "subject" that the serpent seed doctrine is truth.
yakabunch		#7	[-]
Major Master Servant Posts: 5018 (05/27/08 01:44:50) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	There is no doubt in my mind when you pull "ALL" the scriptures in OT and NT on this "subject" that the serpent seed doctrine is truth amen, the parable of the fig tree must be known to understand YAH'S word. Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Soldiershield		#8	[-]
Junior Master Servant Posts: 2489 (05/27/08 06:31:48) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1813509 This shows twins of two different Fathers,also different race. It may help! Also John 8:44. Jesus speaking. Agape, Betty Twins Kian and Remee Hodgson are a genetic -- and adorable -- fluke. (ABC News)There's a twist, though. Kian has the genes from the Jamaican-Caribbean side of the family. With dark skin, hair and eyes, she looks black. Remee has light skin, blond hair and blue eyes, and looks white. It's a genetic fluke because the twins' parents are biracial -- Kylee Hodgson, 19, and Remi Horder, 17, have white mothers and black fathers. Experts estimate that there is a one in a million chance of one black and one white twin being born to biracial parents.
Jacobsladder33		#9	[-]
Senior Master Plowman Posts: 371 (05/27/08 21:02:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	They don't have 2 different fathers. Their mother and father are listed in the article in the very quote you put up. LOL "Kylee Hodgson, 19, and Remi Horder, 17, have white mothers and black fathers". <<<< Those are the parents of the twins.
MMiller777		#10	[-]
Senior Master Tiller Posts: 122 (05/28/08 06:24:40) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	"They don't have 2 different fathers." OK...why don't you give us an example then...
yakabunch		#11	[-]
Major Master Servant Posts: 5020 (05/28/08 06:38:23) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. when following the subject of the scripture and rightly dividing the word, who spoke this GOD or eve? eve is the answer. i would not bet my eternal life on my understanding that GOD spoke in this verse. GOD didn't declare, eve did. but she did receive the child from the LORD for HE is in control and allowed the conception and birth of cain. eve had just been deceived completely. not someone you would base your doctrine on just being beguiled by the serpent. in CHRIST, yaka. Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Jacobsladder33		#12	[-]
Senior Master Plowman Posts: 374 (05/28/08 08:36:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I don't really want to argue this because its been hashed over so many times yaka. But how can you say that Eve spoke this verse? If she did she wouldn't speak of herself in the 3rd person.
eyesnears		#13	[-]
Junior Plowman Posts: 243 (05/28/08 08:50:39) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	And Jacobsladder said, I don't really want to argue this because its been hashed over so many times yaka. But how can you say that Eve spoke this verse? If she did she wouldn't speak of herself in the 3rd person. How can I say you spoke this? If you did how could your name be in the third person?
skooter942000		#14	[-]
Senior Master Servant Posts: 3070 (05/28/08 10:39:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Yaka RE: post #11 - All souls belong to GOD (HE is in control of THE BIRTHS) - Placing the souls in the wombs (at conception) Last Edited By: skooter942000 05/29/08 12:01:05. Edited 2 times.
yakabunch		#15	[-]
Major Master Servant Posts: 5021 (05/28/08 14:12:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. the subject states that she conceived, from her husband, (second conception) and she bare cain, (this jumps in time at least 9 months.) and said, who said? eve said, she used the term I, how is I third person?. if it said he conceived and bare cain and said, it would have been adam that said. if it said GOD conceived and bare cain and said, it would have been GOD that said. GOD isn't a she, so it wasn't GOD, adam isn't a she so it wasn't him. i am doing this not to argue with you, but for other people with the same questions. don't flatter yourself, i haven't missed you. nor do i care to argue with you or converse. unless your the one who asked this question in the first place under one of your aka's? if your not the one who started this thread, how do you think i'm addressing you? in CHRIST, yaka. Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. Last Edited By: yakabunch 05/28/08 14:33:19. Edited 2 times.
yakabunch		#16	[-]
Major Master Servant Posts: 5022 (05/28/08 14:23:26) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	just the same argument stopper with a reasonable person who is seeking. arguments of the sixth day creation. GOD sent cain into the world, who would he feared would kill him, why did cain need a mark for protection and a curse to fall upon those who harmed him? since adam and eve and cain was suppose to be the only ones on earth by traditional doctrine. GENESIS 4: 23] And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt. [24] If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold. this isn't a statement that should be accepted as doctrine as well, it isn't GOD declaring this, but lamech a kenite. you must rightly divide. in CHRIST, yaka. Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. Last Edited By: yakabunch 05/28/08 14:30:26. Edited 1 times.
Joyce and Mom		#17	[-]
Senior Master Servant Posts: 2860 (05/28/08 16:46:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It is possible for a women to have the seman of two different men in her and have twins. I have read of a women who gave birth to a black baby and a white baby , the father was white the man she also slept with was black. I do not know why anyone would not believe the seed serpent doctrine, it is so obvious.
Soldiershield		#18	[-]
Junior Master Servant Posts: 2498 (05/29/08 06:03:35) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	BTW.....That site, I post of the two the twins, It been alter since came out. Orginally, It was two fathers, some of us here at the fig remember when it cme out. I copy the orginal. But i am not the most organized person, with all coming forth. Agape, Betty
skooter942000		#19	[-]
Senior Master Servant Posts: 3072 (05/29/08 12:21:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	- i hope this helps:) http://www.dnacenter.com/science-technology/articles/twins-different-fathers.html . . . If paternity of the set of twins is in question and the twins are thought to be fraternal: In the case of fraternal twins, a woman has ovulated more than once in a given month, thus releasing more than one egg. If this occurs and each egg is fertilized by sperm from the same man, fraternal twins are formed that have the same father. While extremely rare, it is possible that each egg is fertilized by sperm from two different men, thus forming twins with two different fathers, called bi-paternal twins. According to recent studies by published by the National Institutes of Health, it is estimated that approximately 1 in 12 fraternal twin sets are bi-paternal, meaning that each twin has a different father. ( ,,,,,,,,,, 8< ..........cut) (CAIN is not ADAMS child) - any SC student can see this (if not, pray about it)
vettesn	two fathers one pregnancy	#20	[-]
Junior Seedsman Posts: 577 (05/29/08 14:22:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I have read articles about this happening. It has indeed happened. If a woman has sex with 2 men within a certain time frame she can certainly conceive by both men. There was a case in another country where a woman did this and the men were of different races. She was white and had sex with a white man and a black man...one baby was white and the other was bi-racial (dark skinned). It caused quite a stir in the delivery room. I wish I had kept the article but it was several years ago when I read it. It was before I even studied with PM....so when I first heard him teach Genesis....I was only surprised that I had never heard that Cain and Abel were twins and what really happened in the garden....not that it was impossible for it to happen.