I am taking a class on the Old Testament and my first assignment is to read, what he calls the "first half" of Isaiah which was written by one
prophet named Isaiah Chapters 1-39. And then later we will go over Chapters 39-End, which was written by the second Isaiah. Can anyone give me a little insite
on this. Another thing is that we are suppose to use the Oxford Study Bible, I was just wondering the status on it. Thank you
Two Isaiahs?
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Give ear unto my words, oh Lord, consider my meditation. Psalm
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Major Master Servant
Posts: 4135 (08/22/08 13:04:58) Moderator |
From the Companion Bible
The structure above declares the unity of the book, and effectually disposes of the alleged dual authorship and the hypothetical division of the book by modern critics into two parts: the "former" part being chapters 1-39, the "latter" part chapters 40-66. The "Voice" in chapter 40 1-11 is necessitated in order to complete the "Correspondence: with 6, 1-13; and, if an hypothesis is admitted on the one side, then it must be admitted on the other; and it is hypothetically incredible that this dual reference ot the "voice" could have been the outcome of a dual authorship. For other evidence see Appendix 79, 80, and 82. http://www.levendwater.org/companion/append79.html http://www.levendwater.org/companion/append80.html http://www.levendwater.org/companion/append82.html
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Junior Miller
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Thank you for the links soundthealarm,
Love in Christ, sarah
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Senior Master Servant
Posts: 3414 (08/22/08 15:32:39) |
One book
= TWO ISAIAH'S? = "ONE LIE" ..."Someone is teaching quite poorly" - i'd be careful here ...is this for collage? - sorry , i am not familiar with the OXFORD |
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Senior Plowwright
Posts: 134 (08/22/08 17:22:11) |
The Oxford Study Bible: Revised English Bible with Apocrypha
Description
I am assuming this is the required textbook for the course. Read your syllabus and it should state the goals and outline the complete study. There might be a misunderstanding because you have 66 chapters in Isaiah and in your statement you did say "first half" but failed to state the "second half" part. But you have also stated 2 Isaiahs, this leads me to conclude maybe two different perspectives or beliefs(maybe Gentile and Jewish) I did read a few reviews and it was stated that are various written essays and also this is a "annotated" revised edition which leads me to the conclusion that it is only a study tool or guide for reference. If indeed you are a student at university, I would ask to talk to the professor at anytime that I have questions such as this because there is no reason for misunderstandings. Read the description that the publisher has about this volume it clearly states its a "cultural guide" and features "reflections". |
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Major Master Servant
Posts: 5139 (08/22/08 18:47:47) |
when the book of isaiah gives prophesy of CHRIST, the higher critics love to make it appear that the prophet isaiah didn't write the prophesy of CHRIST.
they claim it is another writer that added to isaiah's book.
it is a way they can deny the prophesy given about CHRIST, which starts in the chapters that are in question. just another way of them trying to make CHRIST void. in CHRIST, yaka.
Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
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Junior Sickleman
Posts: 915 (08/22/08 22:05:48) |
One tactic they will use is to reference Isaiah 44:28 and 45:1 concerning Cyrus. They
will say that, since Isaiah lived a hundred plus years earlier, that he could not have written this.
The first thing you do is ask them, "Can you follow a narrative?" It was God speaking in those verses, not the prophet, as in 6:8. If they answer, "Yes, I can follow a narrative", then direct them to Jeremiah 1:5.
Jer 1:5 BEFORE I FORMED THEE IN THE BELLY I KNEW THEE; and before thou camest
forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Then, you ask them, "If God knew Jeremiah before he even formed in the belly, don't you think he knew Cyrus?" If I sound irritated and sarcastic regarding them, it's because I cannot stand the way they present their new theory as though it was God's own truth, when it's so full of holes that, when the wind blows through it, it whistles like a peanut wagon! And I attended a Christian university that pushed the same trot. Only, at the time, I was not as well-equipped to handle them. They know not the Scriptures or the power of God! If they did:
A. They would know about Jeremiah
1:5, and not become dumbfounded, therefore, concerning Isaiah 44:28 and 45:1
B. They would know that the power of God to know Jeremiah before his conception would apply to Cyrus also, and, quite
frankly, every single person sitting in that class. Before they were conceived, God knew them. Ask them where their soul came from. If they say, "It
came from God", then say, "YEAH! HELLO! EARTH TO CLASS! THIS IS HOUSTON! DO YOU COPY!"
There were several children in the Bible named before their birth. The Companion Bible should direct you to that.
In fact, I wish you would print out my response and hand it to them. But that's up to you! 
The answer to "1984" is
"1776"
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Junior Fieldhand
Posts: 10 (08/23/08 05:16:52) |
Thank you for all your replies. One thing that I noticed with any religious teacher at my school is they are trying not to be bias towards any one
denomination. Would it be wrong of me to bring up these points or should I just pass the class? The main reason why I took this course was because I wanted to
get a more fill for the Old Testament. However if you think it may be more of a problem than not please say so. Finding the truth in the word is more important
to me than a class.
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Junior Miller
Posts: 1503 (08/23/08 06:03:43) |
Quote from warriorofgod,
"Finding the truth in the word is more important to me than a class."
Give ear unto my words, oh Lord, consider my meditation. Psalm
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Senior Fellowlaborer
Posts: 4 (08/23/08 07:24:44) |
Warrior said
"One thing that I noticed with any religious teacher at my school is they are trying not to be bias towards any one denomination."Just as attending Alcoholics Anonymous presentations won't make me a better Christian, neither will attending university Bible classes. What is important is getting the most useable knowledge from these types of presentations. One of the benefits of learning what is said by "worldly" sources about the Bible is that you will be better armed to explain errors and misunderstandings in your personal walk/witness for Christ with other folks. And where "they" explain the Bible as just a story, you know that it is reality. Since you have asked for our in put about this, here is mine: Take every class that you can work into your schedule. If the opportunity comes up where you can give your Christian perspective, do it. But .... remember that your purpose is to build your total knowledge not to correct the teacher. A strong Christ-man can go anywhere and read anything because he knows where his first love lies .... with God, Son, and Holy Spirit. Get school degrees to document qualification for a good paying job not to prove that you are "christian". I am not saying you're doing that; I'm just explaining my point. Jim Just a side note: Vanderbilt University, Nashville, TN has a great Divinity school (both Masters and Doctorate) and its likely that a good student could get a scholarship for the balance of his training after paying for the first semester. |
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Junior Sickleman
Posts: 916 (08/23/08 08:52:43) |
Pass the class to keep your credibility as well.
You may have opportunities to counter their arguments in written projects. If the are fair and objective, they will grade you on the presentation of the information, and not on their agreement of it. But, of course, when the test is handed out, and if it asks, "How many Isaiah's were there", you regurgitate the music they long to hear.
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Senior Master Servant
Posts: 3419 (08/23/08 11:16:36) |
Pastor has always said (LEARN THE TRUTH) - "That's most important"
....and pass the class , (to please mankind) -"if need be" - or something to this effect - THERE IS NO HIGHER EDUCATION , "THAN GOD'S WORD" ( - one must be wiser than the serpent) - just keep things STRAIGHT , (in your mind) - and don't teach others , (THEIR FALSEHOODS) - without teaching the ACTUAL TRUTH , (too) "we are accountable" ...just because you pass their tests , (does not make them right)!!! - Pray about this please Don 
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Senior Fellowlaborer
Posts: 76 (08/23/08 13:02:59) |
Years ago when I took my courses in Religion, I did my term paper on"Deutero-Isaiah". You'll have a few good professors and a few bad ones, but in the end, you sail your own ship. With the exception of one really "pin-headed" professor, my college religion courses were great. I also belonged to InterVarsity while there and experiencing people from different denominations was very illuminating. |
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Junior Watchman
Posts: 1965 (08/24/08 20:14:15) |
you have to ask yourself wether or not the Truth is more important than a shiny piece of paper with your name on it. Perhaps this is a good place for you to
plant some seeds but always do so wisely.....espeacially in your position.
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Senior Master Seedsman
Posts: 397 (08/27/08 19:26:39) |
Am of the opinion Higher Critics will alway divide and conquer: Ya know Phe8zero: You cracked me up, I couldn't stop laughing, you said: when it's so full of holes that, when the wind blows through it, it whistles like a peanut wagon!" I love it.. LOL
Proverbs 9:9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.
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Junior Sickleman
Posts: 923 (08/27/08 20:05:23) |
I got that from an old Three Stooges short, "Rockin through the Rockies".
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