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Senior Fieldhand
Posts: 34 (07/10/08 20:50:36) |
ok here is my problem. I was discussing Freewill vs. Predestination in a chat room. It was very easy to prove predestination in the Bible.. but I found very
little on Free Will.. how can one prove that some Christians have FreeWill?
thanks
"Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
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Senior Master Watchman
Posts: 2063 (07/11/08 07:20:18) |
colby1 wrote: Hi Colby! Here are some verses: Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. "Whosoever" in the Greek is: G3956 pas pas Including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole:
- all (manner of, means) alway (-s), any (one), X daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no (-thing), X throughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.
Terri
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Major Master Servant
Posts: 5950 (07/11/08 10:41:22) |
Acts:9:1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
9:2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. 9:8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus. 9:9 And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink. 9:10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord. 9:11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth, 9:12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight. 9:13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem: 9:14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name. 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: 9:16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
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Senior Master Tiller
Posts: 233 (07/11/08 11:23:46) |
I have thought about this as predestine would free us from responsibly in our lives wouldn't it? Easy way out.... but I do feel most have free will. This
is one place I see free will being done.
Matthew 1: 19: Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. {Joseph was going to leave Mary-that was his will at this time} 20: But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. {Joseph (thought) about this and had to be convinced to keep Mary as his wife} 24: Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: {Joseph's (free will) was to trust what the angel told him.}
Truly in vain is salvation hoped for from the hills, and from the multitude of mountains: truly in the Lord our God is the salvation of Israel. Jeremiah 3:23
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Senior Master Servant
Posts: 3195 (07/11/08 13:23:23) |
-Hey Colby (AGAPE) Every thing in the Bible (......mostly), shows us people have FREE-WILL!!!! If not (Why did GOD say OBEY MY COMMANDMENTS), and do well? If we had no free-will , at all , (all would obey them) . . .Understand? SIN proves there is FREE_WILL ( - for ALMIGHTY GOD told us not to SIN)!!!!!!!! .......and yet , people do SIN ( . . .even today) satans ways (show us free will exists) for his ways, go against GOD'S WAYS!!! PRIDE (is WRONG) GOD SAYS SO!!! YET, PRIDE EXISTS (CHRIST teaches us the be-attitudes) How to be If we had no free will , at all, (then why explain things like this to us)? The ZOON/ZOA "have no Free Will" The ELECT have some (certainly) The rest of the world has FREE-WILL - The GWTJ shows us FREE-WILL , "exists" - or all would simply overcome (because they are perfect) (........Etc) 
and i was short on time here / "explaining things" - so they were shared to help , (not to upset) 
-------------------------------- ----------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- -Hey Terri 
( - where have you been hiding)? - if i may ask 
- i hope all is well 
Don 
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Senior Master Watchman
Posts: 2066 (07/11/08 13:27:04) |
Hi Don!! I've just been busy these past few months. I haven't been on the other site too much lately either. I was reading there this past week and not
much has changed there...same old detractors...lol
I hope you're doing well Don. :)
Terri
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Junior Tiller
Posts: 119 (07/12/08 08:21:04) |
Hi Colby1,
Your right. It's very easy to show predestination in the Bible. Actually, it's very easy to prove free will in the Bible. As you know, for those who are predestined, God will directly interfere in a predestinated person's life. This is how He can fulfill prophecy through the ages and directly manipulate bloodlines. But just look at all the people mentioned in the Bible, that God does not directly interfere in their lives. There are far more people that He doesn't try to sway or influence than He does directly. Granted, many times He sent prophets and seers to testify against Israel, but He left it up to the Israelites, whether or not they would listen to His prophets and seers. The same goes for when Jesus walked the Earth in the flesh. Jesus preached the message of the Good News and had his disciples who He ordered to, "Follow me." But there was a vast majority of people of free will that had the option of believing His message or not. God will not interfere in the life of a person with free will period, with the exception that a person specifically ask Him, and only then if it is His will to do so. Btw, good answer Scooter. Hope that helps you Colby. Psalm 147:5, Great is our Lord and of great power: his understanding is infinite. |
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