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I have learned a lot about the deadly would being political in nature and about the events around the five month tribulation. One question I have is about the
seals/horsemen and the verses about 1/3 of the world perishing at once from things such as war and famine. This is mentioned in Revelation 9 and the following
verses. Is 1/3 of the earth's population really going to perish before/during the five month tribulation? What is this talking about? Literal or figurative
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quote:Is 1/3 of the earth's population really going to perish before/during the five month tribulation? What is this talking about? Literal or figurative about something else PM teaches they die a "spiritual death". Rev 9:17And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses [were] as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. They have the breastplates as priests but they are satan's ministers 2 Cor 11:13-15. The fire is strange fire or false doctrine. jacinth, the 11th in the foundation in Rev 21:20. 1st stone in the 3rd row on Aarons breastplate Ex 28:19 brimstone, sulfur fire, smoke and brimstone, call it satan's trinity. Rev 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths. It comes out of their mouths as lies. fire, stange fire, firery darts remember the gospel armor? Eph 6:16 smoke of deception, in lies which block out the light/truth (vs 2, sun and air were darkened) brimstone is sulphur which is posion if you listen to them. "third part of men killed, " the same third who followed satan in the first earth age Rev 8 also goes into 1/3s. They followed satan then and probably will again. Rev 9:19For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails [were] like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt. vs 17 those who ride the horses(dynasties) Rev 9:20And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: what plagues? Rev 16, those that Rev 11 the two witnesses pour out. "works of their hands," meaning they give work for the satan's beast system (Rev 13:16 mark in the hand.) "and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood:", their idol worshipers. Rev 9:21Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. Remember Eze 13? They cause a spiritual murders, death of your soul.
Pro 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
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One word (WORMWOOD) / See Rev 8:11
Um, or is that TWO-WORDS (.....Just Kidding) Think: Spiritually (here) - "ONLY" Don
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How is wormwood spiritual ? The wormwood in Russia from the meltdown of chernoble could easily effect 1/3 of the worlds population when you consider
that some deseases from radioactivity are found many years later like in cancer. Lots of people have died from cancer just not all at the same time. Anyway I dont understand a wormwood spiritual so will you explain it to me? I love your post and I admire you very much, I really am trying to learn here. |
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CHERNOBYL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In April 1986, Chernobyl' (Chornobyl' in Ukrainian) was an obscure city on the Pripiat' River in north-central Ukraine. Almost incidentally, its name was attached to the V.I. Lenin Nuclear Power Plant located about twenty-five kilometers upstream. On April 26, the city's anonymity vanished forever when, during a test at 1:21 A.M., the No. 4 reactor exploded and released thirty to forty times the radioactivity of the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The world first learned of history's worst nuclear accident from Sweden, where abnormal radiation levels were registered at one of its nuclear facilities. Ranking as one of the greatest industrial accidents of all time, the Chernobyl' disaster and its impact on the course of Soviet events can scarcely be exaggerated. No one can predict what will finally be the exact number of human victims. Thirty- one lives were lost immediately. Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians, Russians, and Belorussians had to abandon entire cities and settlements within the thirty-kilometer zone of extreme contamination. Estimates vary, but it is likely that some 3 million people, more than 2 million in Belarus' alone, are still living in contaminated areas. The city of Chernobyl' is still inhabited by almost 10,000 people. Billions of rubles have been spent, and billions more will be needed to relocate communities and decontaminate the rich farmland. Chernobyl' has become a metaphor not only for the horror of uncontrolled nuclear power but also for the collapsing Soviet system and its reflexive secrecy and deception, disregard for the safety and welfare of workers and their families, and inability to deliver basic services such as health care and transportation, especially in crisis situations. The Chernobyl' catastrophe derailed what had been an ambitious nuclear power program and formed a fledgling environmental movement into a potent political force in Russia as well as a rallying point for achieving Ukrainian and Belorussian independence in 1991. Although still in operation, the Chernobyl' plant is scheduled for total shutdown in 1993. |
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bitterness of the waters. sea of people. revelation 8 at the seventh seal.
revelation 16 at the sixth vial. 12] And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. [13] And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. [14] For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. [15] Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. this death comes from the mouth of the dragon, beast, and false prophet. remember at the seventh trumpet the beast and the false prophet goes into the lake of fire. that is the gift of great deception given to satan at the sixth trump. he will not have this ability when he is released at the end of the millennium. the dragon, beast, and false prophet is spreading a false religion. this kills many by following a bad religion. they hold on till it is to late to repent and are spiritually dead during the millennium. revelation 13 tells us of the dragon that looks like a lamb but speaks as a dragon. 11] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. these are sermons that are causing the people to die. not weapons of physical mass destruction. they are receiving and accepting a false religion. fire smoke and brimstone. many think that is some good ole fashion preaching, but it isn't christians spewing the fire and brimstone. Rev.9 [17] And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. [18] By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths. these deaths are being caused by their speaking. they are delivering a message. and it is a false message going against GOD'S way. they will die a spiritual death if they stay with the false messiah till the seventh trump. then they are not dead but want the mountains to fall on them. out of shame they realize they have been taken. Hos.10
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Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
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I wouldnt be surprised if it turns out to be both physical and spiritual, no doubt it will definitely be spiritual. The reason I say this is because there will
be an increase in natural disasters, earthquakes and pestilence in the 4th seal. Many will lose their physical lives in those events. Berma and China are
perfect examples of this and it could get a lot worse and it will. Also the kenites do have population control on their agenda. Working in the health care
field, I can assure you that the standard of care is going down, down, down in our nation alone when we once had the golden standard of health care in the
world. This costs lots of lives every year. So you combine all those things and you will see a lot of physical loss of life. If there is a war that does let a
nuke go off, you could see millions killed at one time. I know that we also look at the famine of the end times as not the famine for bread, but for the word
of God. But you can believe that there will be an increase in less and less actual food being made available. There will be some that do go hungry for food. It
will get worse. If I really look, I can see the spiritual and the physical connotation to all the events of the end times.
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the 1/3 here are the people that beleive that the antichrist is Jesus, and will not turn and repent. from the other 2/3 we will derive the 144,000 of the
servants of God that here the witness of the elect and repent at the last moment. to answer your question as to wether the death here is figurative or literal
we need to look back to rev.9:4-5.in v.4 the locust army is ordered by God that they could only hurt those who did not have the seal of God in their forheads.
in v.5 the locust army was commanded not to kill them, so we know the death in v.18 is spiritual. believing the lies brings the spiritual death, that isnt
finalized until the true Christ appears.up till then anyone who has been decieved can turn and repent. thats the job of the elect, to witness for the true
Christ.I believe God is saying here that 1/3 will not repent no matter what. we dont know who the 1/3 is so we witness to everyone.
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Rev 6:4And there went out another horse [that was] red: and [power] was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. Mat 24:6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet. Mat 24:7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. Mat 24:8All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.
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Great scriptures. It really spells it out. When the big wars break out, a lot people will die, especially if nukes are involved or even a terrorist attack with a dirty bomb. I think we will see a lot of people lose their lives in those times. |
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There has always been famines and pestilences and earthquake in divers places. We have been thru 2 world wars and lots of police interventions I think they
call them. The point is that they are happening with much more frequency in this latter time. Please believe me I am not trying to be an alarmest , but I cant deny what my eyes are seeing either. Revelation 9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter. Revelation 9:11-13 (in Context) Revelation 9 (Whole Chapter) Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. Revelation 11:13-15 (in Context) Revelation 11 (Whole Chapter) Revelation 10 (King James Version)Revelation 101And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: 2And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, 3And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. 4And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. 5And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, 6And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: 7But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. 8And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth. 9And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. 10And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. 11And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
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- i am sorry for the confusion of my post The 1/3rd dying (should be taken as "SPIRITUAL") - As IRISH - and as Yaka shared afterwords also this is 1/3 total (of all of GOD'S CHILDREN) - Like Rev 12:1-4 shows & That would be how many? - i shared the Rev 8:11 wormwood portion , (to tie this in) Chernobyl was a TYPE , or benchmark. ( - of the BITTERNESS) - going on in the world. (but what is coming is far worse) but people are spiritually dying each day because of false teachings. And when GOD'S ELECT (are delivered up) , many shall come out of this MESS!!! - so i see this as SPIRITUAL & (That's what SC teaches) satan is coming to deceive souls , (they die spiritually) Because in Rev 9 the fallen ones can't actually KILL anyone. . . .So they die SPRITUALLY = A MORTAL SOUL This is why , (The dry bones are to be TAUGHT) . . .so they won't die too!!!!! ( - Meaning GOD'S ELECT) ( . . .see the symbolism)? http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze037.html - i hope this helps explain things better -AGAPE- (brethren in The LORD) Don
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I wouldnt be surprised if it turns out to be both physical and spiritual, no doubt it will definitely be spiritual. The reason I say this is because there will be an increase in natural disasters, earthquakes and pestilence in the 4th seal. Many will lose their physical lives in those events. Berma and China are perfect examples of this and it could get a lot worse and it will. Also the kenites do have population control on their agenda. Working in the health care field, I can assure you that the standard of care is going down, down, down in our nation alone when we once had the golden standard of health care in the world. This costs lots of lives every year. So you combine all those things and you will see a lot of physical loss of life. If there is a war that does let a nuke go off, you could see millions killed at one time. I know that we also look at the famine of the end times as not the famine for bread, but for the word of God. But you can believe that there will be an increase in less and less actual food being made available. There will be some that do go hungry for food. It will get worse. If I really look, I can see the spiritual and the physical connotation to all the events of the end times. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ I understand what you mean. There is no denying what is going on, we are watchman we see it. Mat 24:6-7...was brought up and to me it says it well. I think it important to know that the {end} the last things to happen {before} Christ, is spiritual. Satan {has} to be here, when he is things are going to go smoothly-physical death and destruction will have ceased, he brings it together. I fear there will be those that see this as {only} physical and when satan appears see him as Christ. (well I guess we are told most will). BUT, none of us. There will be wars and rumors of war.....life goes on right now, death, destruction, control. Through religions the flood of lies have started......these are just the fore runners and it is increasing{until} satan appears..... He is coming in as our Lord to whip away all tears. just my thoughts though....
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I agree Strong, I know satan will come with message that he is going to save us from ourselves. It won't be very pleasant on earth when he shows up. Death
and destruction from wars and pestilence and natural disasters will be at an all time high. The time around the deadly wound and probably before will not be
pleasant for any of us to live through, I have the feeling. For all those people that believe in the rapture, this will be the only kind of rapture there is
and that will be the humans that lose their lives when all this is going on before satan shows up defacto, but definitely no flying out of here. I know God
will be pouring his oil out on His people and we will have to stay strong and never take our eyes off Christ. People will be in such despair that they will
fall for any messiah at that time. And he will bring peace and prosperity where there was none at the time of his arrival. I feel pretty confident that it will
feel like hell on earth before satan shows up. I am sure when he arrives everyone will stop what they are doing, whether it is war, thieving, drugging,
drinking, praying on their knees, etc etc. They will be in awe of what they are seeing happening on the earth. My personal feelings, dont know even why I
really think this, but I think he will come with a message that he is going to fly everyone out of here because the planet is in danger. He will bring with him
all the answers to the mysteries of the world and the universe, down to every single thing that humans don't know and never figured out. He will be so
believable to anyone who doesn't have the seal of God in his forehead and out of desparation and despair they will accept him without questioning it. I
believe he will do things that we can only speculate and it will be more outrageous than we could imagine. We will be standing there with our mouthes open
ourselves, even those of us knew he was coming.
We have to gird up strong in our spirituality to handle seeing these things. It will be totally mind blowing. We have to remember to pray for God's Elect every day now. I think it is imperative that we do this. We are all going to need all the strength we can muster and will need to be nearer to God than ever before. |
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i've enjoyed all your thoughts on the scriptures, but what hammers it home for me is found in the 16th chapter of revelation.
this being the big picture eternity or millennium meaning of dead. if you fail to take part in that first resurrection your spiritual dead for the term of the millennium and could stay dead or perish in the lake of fire. partaking in that first resurrection you receive eternal life that very day. no worries of the judgment at the end of the millennium based on your eternal place in eternity. revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. now these 1/3 spoke of wasn't watching and keeping their garments to keep from walking naked. seeing the shame of wishing the mountains to fall on them. to avoid this smoke fire and brimstone issuing out of their mouths, you must be aware of the TRUE CHRIST. cause HE will come as a thief, when most are not expecting. those who are in the know and follow the TRUTH, know better than to listen to that issuing out of their mouths. if this was natural disasters, things coming out of the mouths of men, causing them to be killed in natural disasters? that doesn't make sense. this coming out of their mouths are lies and deception. those keeping their garments and avoiding the crowds and popular ones will be blessed. as i say this 15th verse nails it home for me. to avoid the fire, smoke and brimstone that is coming out of the mouths of these unclean spirit's, is found in verse 15 in chapter 16 of revelation. while the world is going green, we are going white linen. " "
again. revelation 16: 15] Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. in CHRIST, yaka.
Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
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- i think we are all trying to keep our linen (Clean and White)
- "FATHER" certainly will help here , (if we stick by HIM). - Great input Yaka (Those who make the 1st Resurrection) , will not have MORTAL SOULS. - meaning SOULS still liable to die. ( . . ."perhaps")? - Not going into predestination Rev 7:9 ΒΆ After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; Rev 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. Rev 7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and [about] the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Rev 7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, [be] unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. . . . . || || \/ http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Joe/Joe002.html#27 . . . .
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I am of the opinion that many things in the bible are in three's; spirit, soul and body and in this manner we are to take the things stated in the Word as
such. Spirit 1st and foremost, second the soul and third the body.
We were created thus, and like eve she was completely seduced, meaning spirit, soul and body. Also, Paul taught on three levels, I believe we should see it in a way that includes all three and leaving none out of the recipe. There are many more comfirmations in the Word, and it goes alot deeper. So yes, I believe it also means death of the flesh body in the prophecy's also. We the elect, our Father will protect us when the going gets rough, the reason is, is that He will need us to deliver His message to a lost and dying world. We will know what to do, He will be guiding us with the two witnessess, they will be here for the elect. The old cliche "The beginning of the end" it has started and won't stop until the birth of that new age. So yes it will intensify in what we are seeing now. I see also the thing described above happening also, these are labor pains! We have to remember, that in some birth's the contractions are so violent that the child is injured when born. "We must prepare ourselves that this is not going to be an easy delivery". The medical community has numbified us with the way they deliver babys today with all the medications and such. That we lose sight just how rough it is. We can look at Rachael and her struggle in bringing benjamin into the world. It cost her, her life. There was a huge price for this. But we are the the Vehicles Father will use to bring this new age into the world, so I would say we need to be of the mind set "we can do this" "I will do this" "I will not turn my back on the Father" "There is no turning back now" and we all know that if we did turn our backs on Him at that time, well this is the unforgiveable sin.
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Hi Watchwoman,
I totally totally agree with you. You are so very very right. We have to think beyond the flesh and just in the spirit. The flesh is only that flesh, to be with our Father and serve Him is everything. We have to think past the flesh. Father will help us do that. He will protect us to the degree of our faith. It is one of his promises. |
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Greetings Watchwoman,
You are totally gifted, as well as blessed, to bring forth such a great comment. Yes! Must close flesh eyes to see with the spiritual eyes, afterall, this is Spiritual Warfare. I am sure some would have a problem to disgest that. Its Father's War, and He is counting on us to carry out His Will. For all to come to pass, as written. Back to those labor pangs, I asked for one and received many. Not one was a easy birth. I felt I was almost insane with the pain, But I focus on That Birth and that Joy that was coming. Just as we must, do here also. Trust in Lord, and we will receive that Joy. We will receive that strength to over come all Satan plan for us. Father is Our control. We shall see the Victory. As we sing that Song of Moses. Our test is Faith in the Lord, and doing His work. Allowing His Spirit to speak thru us. {Don't murmur!} Think! how He did not utter a word thru his sufferings and death for us. To bring us to this point to receive Our Salivation. for eternality. Your a good Watchwoman, of the Word. Must ate the little book. As we all should. GBU, TY! Agape, Betty |
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