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truthstudent	SCRIPTURE QUESTION	Lead	[-]
Junior Tiller Posts: 108 (04/30/08 11:48:35) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None SCRIPTURE QUESTION: Hello Fellow Figs, This is a two part question. I have been having a little trouble understanding what Father is trying to tell us in the following verse and how this applies to the end times. ISAIAH 26:20 COME MY PEOPLE ENTER THOU INTO THY CHAMBERS AND SHUT THY DOORS ABOUT THEE HIDE THYSELF AS IT WERE FOR A LITTLE MOMENT UNTIL THE INDIGNATION BE OVERPAST. 21: FOR BEHOLD THE LORD COMETH OUT OF HIS PLACE TO PUNISH THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH FOR THEIR INIQUITY THE EARTH ALSO SHALL DISCLOSE HER BLOOD AND SHALL NO MORE COVER HER SLAIN. is this to mean in the very end we are to hide ourselves?? The second part of the question due to the warning of not posting any part of the Shep Chap teachings is kind of hard because I have a question as to what PM was referring to in the Passover 2008 series. So instead of writing the part I have the question about it will try to just phrase it IN MY OWN WORDS I guess this is how I am supposed to do it and stay within the rules. I apologise if I am doing it wrong. In one of the lectures on the Passover 2008 series about 40 min into it when PM is talking about 3 1/2 days and referring to Revelation around chapter 11 He says something to the effect of WHY IS IT WE ARE GOING TO BE ALONE FOR A SHORT WHILE?? Does anyone know if he is referring to the same idea as in the above verse from Isaiah? Or if these two are connected in any way? Sorry if I am not making the question clear its just I have always thought that the I WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU OR FORSAKE YOU was a literal thing. But now am wondering if Father turns away for a short while while we are being delivered up or something. Again I apologies for my ignorance and if I have broken any rules. Thank you, Truthstudent
The Dark Knight		#1	[-]
Senior Master Sickleman Posts: 1028 (04/30/08 12:24:00) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	truthstudent wrote: SCRIPTURE QUESTION: Hello Fellow Figs, This is a two part question. I have been having a little trouble understanding what Father is trying to tell us in the following verse and how this applies to the end times. ISAIAH 26:20 COME MY PEOPLE ENTER THOU INTO THY CHAMBERS AND SHUT THY DOORS ABOUT THEE HIDE THYSELF AS IT WERE FOR A LITTLE MOMENT UNTIL THE INDIGNATION BE OVERPAST. 21: FOR BEHOLD THE LORD COMETH OUT OF HIS PLACE TO PUNISH THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH FOR THEIR INIQUITY THE EARTH ALSO SHALL DISCLOSE HER BLOOD AND SHALL NO MORE COVER HER SLAIN. is this to mean in the very end we are to hide ourselves?? The second part of the question due to the warning of not posting any part of the Shep Chap teachings is kind of hard because I have a question as to what PM was referring to in the Passover 2008 series. So instead of writing the part I have the question about it will try to just phrase it IN MY OWN WORDS I guess this is how I am supposed to do it and stay within the rules. I apologise if I am doing it wrong. In one of the lectures on the Passover 2008 series about 40 min into it when PM is talking about 3 1/2 days and referring to Revelation around chapter 11 He says something to the effect of WHY IS IT WE ARE GOING TO BE ALONE FOR A SHORT WHILE?? Does anyone know if he is referring to the same idea as in the above verse from Isaiah? Or if these two are connected in any way? Sorry if I am not making the question clear its just I have always thought that the I WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU OR FORSAKE YOU was a literal thing. But now am wondering if Father turns away for a short while while we are being delivered up or something. Again I apologies for my ignorance and if I have broken any rules. Thank you, Truthstudent Yes, the scriptures of Isaiah refer to that point in time during the tribulation. Hence, why Abba says, "My People", and not simply "inahbitants" or "people" in general. The people of God are the election of grace. We "hide" ourselves by not becomming part of Sister Babylon. Hence, the cry of Revelation 18, where God cries for HIS people to come out of her, and not to be a partaker of her sins. By not being part of the NWO, and Satan's beast system, we're removed for all practical purposes. It's because of our removal and refusal to go along with it that we shall be delivered up. Concerning your question about the Passover lecture, I don't have the CD for that lecture, or I would listen to it, and tell you what he is talking about. I can't quite remember what Pastor Murray discussed during that portion of the Passover lecture. Perhaps one of the other members here can be more of assistance in this area. *Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.*
irishrain		#2	[-]
Junior Master Servant Posts: 2780 (04/30/08 12:25:16) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	True on the first half of your question. Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. We are to enter into Fathers WORD/Ark in thy chambers of your mind, sealed with TRUTH when Satan is here! "hide thyself as it were for a little moment" Zep 2:3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger. Remember HE is not anger at us Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. Luke 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. We are not to open our mouths at that time Till the HOLY SPIRIT is on us. "indignation", Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. Isa 26:21For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. Pro 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
truthstudent		#3	[-]
Junior Tiller Posts: 109 (04/30/08 12:30:39) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Dark Knight, Thank you I PM'd you. Thanks Irish! I emailed you. Truthstudent
soundthealarm		#4	[-]
Major Master Servant Posts: 3830 (04/30/08 13:25:19) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hello truthstudent, The second part of the question due to the warning of not posting any part of the Shep Chap teachings is kind of hard because I have a question as to what PM was referring to in the Passover 2008 series. So instead of writing the part I have the question about it will try to just phrase it IN MY OWN WORDS I guess this is how I am supposed to do it and stay within the rules. I apologise if I am doing it wrong. In one of the lectures on the Passover 2008 series about 40 min into it when PM is talking about 3 1/2 days and referring to Revelation around chapter 11 He says something to the effect of WHY IS IT WE ARE GOING TO BE ALONE FOR A SHORT WHILE?? Does anyone know if he is referring to the same idea as in the above verse from Isaiah? Or if these two are connected in any way? This would be in the "Restoration" study. There is no problem with giving an exact quote of what PM says (an excerpt from a study or from prophecy line), just not a transcribed study or whole paragraphs. I do not believe he completed the thought. Quoting from the study: When we expand this and go into the full 5 month period of the false messiah … Why is it we will be alone for just a little while? Because the first part of that week which has been shortened to 5 days, some of you that haven't studied don't worry about it Christ said, for the elect's sake I have shortened the time. In Revelations 9 it tells you exactly how much He shortend it to. So, we don't have anything to worry about as far as the Day of the Lord deceiving you or slipping up on you because it is going to be 3 ½ days after the two witnesses are murdered. In the first study "God Feeds" he talked about how the political is 3 1/2 days and that we could cut that time but when satan is here in the last 3 1/2 days we would be taken into the wilderness, protected and fed. So that could be the "alone" time he was talking about. Of course we are never alone, because our Father will never leave us or forsake us, but we won't have the special help until a particular time. SoundtheAlarm Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand
lazarous65		#5	[-]
Junior Fellowlaborer Posts: 40 (04/30/08 15:30:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Why is it we will be alone for just a little while? Because the first part of that week which has been shortened to 5 days, some of you that haven't studied don't worry about it Christ said, for the elect's sake I have shortened the time ?
truthstudent		#6	[-]
Junior Tiller Posts: 110 (04/30/08 16:17:10) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Soundthealarm, thanks for clearing that up I wanted to quote that but didn't know if that was against the rules. So then your all's take on ... Isaiah 54 6For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God. 7For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee. 8In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer. this is different when Father is saying He forsook us and hid His face from us than when we are "hiding" from His wrath. It is a different wrath? one being the wrath of the end times and the other being the wrath that put us here in this earth age? I am really appreciating the help on this. And lazarous65 I think they are referring to the time of Daniel being that the 5 days are really 5 months. Truthstudent
irishrain		#7	[-]
Junior Master Servant Posts: 2781 (04/30/08 17:12:18) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	truthstudent wrote: quote: So then your all's take on ... Isaiah 54 6For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God. 7For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee. 8In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer. this is different when Father is saying He forsook us and hid His face from us than when we are "hiding" from His wrath. It is a different wrath? one being the wrath of the end times and the other being the wrath that put us here in this earth age? I am really appreciating the help on this. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You know we all are suppose to be the bride of Christ. (2 Cor 11:2). Deu 32:18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee. Deu 32:19And when the LORD saw [it], he abhorred [them], because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters. Deu 32:20And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end [shall be]: for they [are] a very froward generation, children in whom [is] no faith. To Jeshurun HIS face is hid to see who they will follow, Satan OR remain Barren and wait for the real Christ at the 7th trumpet. If you are one of GOD's elect, then you take part of the pouring out of Fire/truth that gets poured on the beast system of Rev 13. Rev 11:4These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. Rev 11:5And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. them= the two witnesses and the two churches. Rev 16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. Rev 16:9And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory. Jer 5:14 Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them. 2Ki 1:12And Elijah answered and said unto them, If I [be] a man of God, let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And the fire of God came down from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty. Who get the Wrath of YHVH? Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand, Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: Pro 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding. Last Edited By: irishrain 04/30/08 17:21:51. Edited 2 times.
soundthealarm		#8	[-]
Major Master Servant Posts: 3831 (04/30/08 17:34:09) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	QUOTE: Lazarous Why is it we will be alone for just a little while? Because the first part of that week which has been shortened to 5 days, some of you that haven't studied don't worry about it Christ said, for the elect's sake I have shortened the time ? Pastor was going back and forth equating the week of Daniel (the last week or 70th week) as two 3 1/2 day periods (equal to the five month period shortened to 2 1/2 month segments) and therefore he mispoke and meant to say 3 1/2 days.(the total time is still a five month period) SoundtheAlarm Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand
soundthealarm		#9	[-]
Major Master Servant Posts: 3832 (04/30/08 18:07:31) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Isa 54:6-8 6 For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God. 7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee. 8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer. (KJV) Isaiah 54 is written to God's elect. The elect are the the barren ones who do not bear fruit to antichrist, the married wife (from the first earth age). The elect are the widows because Christ died on the cross, rose and sits at the right hand of God (no longer in the flesh walking this earth). When the time of the apostasy comes we might feel grieved and rejected by God but He will never leave us or forsake us. He may seem far away but if we keep our eyes on Him we will be fine. Hosea 2:14 14 Therefore, behold, I will allure her, and bring her into the wilderness, and speak comfortably unto her. (KJV) SoundtheAlarm Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand
truthstudent		#10	[-]
Junior Tiller Posts: 111 (04/30/08 18:22:28) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	WOW! Thank you very much! Truthstudent
soundthealarm		#11	[-]
Major Master Servant Posts: 3833 (04/30/08 18:26:55) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I believe the scriptures in Isaiah 54 are concerning the elect (144,00) and the very elect (7,000). It would depend when one comes out of confusion as to how much one might feel "forsaken". SoundtheAlarm Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand

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