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Senior Fellowlaborer
Posts: 41 (04/22/08 17:21:12) |
I'm trying to understand Daniel 8
before the all the chips can completely line up, dose the government of Iran have to be no more (fall) potical system can be more complete. |
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Junior Master Servant
Posts: 2758 (04/22/08 18:43:50) |
norwegian48 wrote: Dan 8:7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand. Dan 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven. Then the great horn/power of the goat lead system is broken in a deadly wound. Then the four horns/powers/hidden dynasties come into full power with the arrival of the fallen angels. Dan 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant [land]. "Out of one of them," ie the religious beast of Rev 13, (little horn/satan comes forth) that shall use the political beast (Rev 13:12). "pleasant land "is Judea/Jerusalem.
Pro 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
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Senior Master Servant
Posts: 2758 (04/22/08 19:41:28) |
I love how Hilary Clinton is a fighter and a can do person. She let it be known that if Iran attacked Israel we would obliterate Iran. She didnt
hem haw around searching for the polictical correct thing to say she just said it . I loved it. I have always believed you have to carry a big stick to let your apponent know you are serious. Saves alot of fights and lives . 
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Junior Master Servant
Posts: 2760 (04/22/08 19:55:01) |
 Joyce
Between Hillary and McCain which ever gets voted in, Iran doesn't have a chance.
Pro 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
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Junior Winnower
Posts: 1085 (04/22/08 20:14:14) |
Good explanation Irish.
Dan 8:4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.
- Tom
Psa 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. |
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Junior Fellowlaborer
Posts: 39 (04/22/08 21:07:35) |
irishrain said: Dan 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven. Then the great horn/power of the goat lead system is broken in a deadly wound. Then the four
horns/powers/hidden dynasties come into full power with the arrival of the fallen angels
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Junior Master Servant
Posts: 2761 (04/22/08 21:49:29) |
lazarous65 wrote:
Could be Israel but i am leaning to it being the
United Nations and this is why.
Dan 8:20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and
Persia.
Saddam was a very arrogant leader and ruler. "but one was higher than the other, and the
higher came up last."
last 314 'acharown akh-ar-one'or (shortened) ;acharon {akh-ar-one'}; from ''achar' (309); hinder; generally, late or last; specifically (as facing the east) western:--after (-ward), to come, following, hind(-er, -ermost, -most), last, latter, rereward, ut(ter)most. So Iran the higher/arrogant horn/power, follows Iraq in coming up last. Dan 8:5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the
west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.
"touched not the ground", can mean very swiftly, food for thought.. . . It will not be ground
troops but bombs will take out Iran.
Dan 8:21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is
between his eyes is the first king.
8175 sa`ar saw-ar' a primitive root; to storm; by implication, to shiver, i.e. fear:--be (horribly) afraid, fear, hurl as a storm, be tempestuous, come like (take away as with) a whirlwind.
The rough/devil goat is the king of Grecia/ Greece. But the vision is for the appointed time. (vs 8:19) Historically - Alexander the great conquered the Achaemenid Persian Empire, including Anatolia, Syria, Phoenicia, Judea, Gaza, Egypt, Bactria, and Mesopotamia, and extended the boundaries of his own empire as far as Punjab, India. Alexander conquered the known world back then. Grecia 3120 Yavan yaw-vawn' probably from the same as 'yayin' (3196); effervescing (i.e.
hot and active); Javan, the name of a son of Joktan, and of the race (Ionians, i.e. Greeks) descended from him, with their territory; also of a place in
Arabia:--Javan.
Greece was a type of Beast System that ruled over Jerusalem. Five are fallen, history, gone (Rev 17:10).
"and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king", the great horn/power of the United Nations beast system was Satan, is of Satan (Rev 17:10-11) effervescing ( hot and actively) kenites building the system up for their father Satan. It's Satan behind the power/horn behind the building of the beast system threw the kenites. Even if Israel which is "West" of Iran attacks Iran, those supporting nations of the "West" and the United Nations will jump on board in the attack except Russia.
Pro 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
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Junior Master Servant
Posts: 2282 (04/23/08 16:45:52) |
Very well done Irishrain.
Great study! Thanks! Agape, Betty |
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Junior Master Servant
Posts: 2283 (04/23/08 16:47:19) |
Very well done Irishrain.
Great study! Thanks! Agape, Betty |
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Junior Watchman
Posts: 1828 (04/23/08 21:55:40) |
unfortunatly hillary is a can-do screaming liberal who seems to be strong when it comes to issues in the middle east but will bring financial chaos and
political insanity to the U.S. if she gets in.
we need someone who is conservative in matters other than just the middle east war or we are all in big trouble. She is a socialist/communist who supports universal health care.....a whole array of political ideas that will weaken the U.S. economically.....and then theres the long list of immoral programs she supports. If you look at the devestating effect health care has had on canada.....we cant even afford to have an army or navy anymore.....so after 4 years of hillary its likely the U.S. wouldnt have the means to go after iran even if they wanted to. Protestant tax payers are forced to pay for catholic hospitals and programs. This might seem innocent enough but the catholic hospitals are terribly biased and hire catholics first and foremost while leaving the left over jobs to Protestants. Its the same situation with the catholic school system. many Protestant schools have catholic principals and teachers but you wont find to many non catholic teachers (if any) in the catholic school system and this makes the whole thing terribly unfair and extraordinairily biased. It also means that Protestants are made to pay for systems that treat us like 2nd class citizens and will always give themselves the best of whatever they demand to have coming to them. Ever wonder why we cant ever seem to stop illegal immigration into the U.S. from mexico? It should be common knowledge that everything south of the United States border is almost completly catholic.....right down to the tip of south america. Those who do not create a system are not capable of sustaining it and so it is with Freedom. The aspect of catholicism that manipulates the world to pay for their programs and systems is not the Christian half.....it is the ancient roman unchristian side which rermains to this day..... that dictates cheating lying and deciet. In canada a catholic halfbreed named louie reil murdered a Protestant Orangeman and led a rebellion against the Protestant controlled aspect of the govt. He was a known psychopath and because of these things he was given status as being one of canadas greatest heros of all time. The guy who brought health care into canadian law was recently voted as being not only canadas greatest politician but canadas greatest hero.....period. This guy was hard core communist and yet the catholic canadian world voted him the greatest canadian of all time. Those of you who unaware of how catholic politics really works should begin to take notice of whats happened in canada because what has happened here is a sign of what is headed there. |
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Senior Master Servant
Posts: 2762 (04/24/08 13:09:10) |
ohh that is alot of accusations :)
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Senior Master Sickleman
Posts: 997 (04/24/08 13:24:10) |
abbzeq wrote: For all these reasons is why the NWO will come into being. Your estimation of Hillary Clinton is true to the word. This is why I always suspicioned she would be perfect to usher in a NWO, only to break away from it when they threaten to take her out of power (she's too greedy to give one ounce of power away).
Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.
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Senior Master Servant
Posts: 2763 (04/24/08 16:22:02) |
Guess I am the only one of the figs voting for Hillary :)
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The Dark Knight |
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Senior Master Sickleman
Posts: 998 (04/24/08 17:18:22) |
Joyce and Mom wrote:
Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.
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Junior Watchman
Posts: 1829 (04/25/08 04:42:36) |
I think you might be the only SCN student alive voting for hillary but America is a free counrty after all and freedom of choice is one of the things that
makes it great.
I think PM put out a study some time ago about the right wing.....i may be mistaken but I know he has taught the subject in the past and i think it may be of some benefit when trying to decide who to vote for when it comes to right and left candidates. |
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Senior Master Sickleman
Posts: 1002 (04/25/08 06:44:31) |
abbzeq wrote: Anymore the right wing is almost (but not quite) as liberal and socialist as the left wing party. This whole "new world order" crap has literally taken many politicians to it's cause. Both Bush sr. and Bush jr. have been quoted numerous times for mentioning a "new world order" being at hand. One thing I will say about the right wing is this; they tend to be pro-guns, anti-abortion, and usually have some sense of a convervative nature when it comes to governmental spending and budget, although this current administration has seemingly spent like democrats.
Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.
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Junior Seedsman
Posts: 432 (04/25/08 12:25:04) |
Dark Knight, My thoughts EXACTLY!
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Senior Master Servant
Posts: 2764 (04/25/08 14:13:02) |
oh yeh llike obama and Mccain are such outstanding citizens.... actually God has placed it in my heart to vote for the lesser evil of the 3 as He has for many
voting years. I agree that with the new world government almost upon us that both the dems and repubs serve the same goals. I know God is in control and will protect His children whoever is the current world leaders.
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Senior Master Sickleman
Posts: 1006 (04/25/08 15:40:42) |
Joyce and Mom wrote: Never said they were Joyce........ I never said they were.
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Junior Master Servant
Posts: 2291 (04/26/08 04:17:56) |
Joyce and Mom,
Pastor did say what Abbzeg said more than once about the right wing. Beware! You are right about the three evils. But its not about us, but Father getting all fullfilled. Don't kick against the pricks.....Pray about it, Do it In His will. Love you, Sis! Just a Sister, voicing what Father say will come to past. He is in Control, so He will use who He choses anyway. GBU! TY! Agape, Betty |
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Junior Watchman
Posts: 1830 (04/26/08 14:57:36) |
I have no idea to be honest.....wether or not Mcain is a worse personality than hillary but God gives us advice in His Words to us and part of that advice has
to do with staying to the right.....and if we dont take God's advice then.....God is certainly in control but not taking His advice is a very undisciplined
and very dangerous thing to do.
I hope you pray about it and try to study the subject in some depth before making a steadfast decision on the matter Joyce but like I said.....its a free country thanks to our Father. I do remember years ago, hillary stating that the one thing she found sexy was.....power. This gives us some insight into her psychi and really.....she didnt need to ever come right out and admit it.....one can see it oozing from every bone in her body.....which is not to say that mcain is any better but i sure as he## refuse to vote for anyone who supports the murder of innocent little babies or universal health care or gun control and I dont think mcain supports either of the three while Id almost bet dollars to donuts that hillary is just the opposite. Im betting shes a champion of the right to murder innocent children.....to take guns out of the hands of honest Christians and to bring about social health care programs that will cost so much to enforce that America will no longer be able to afford the proper type of army and navy that protects us and keeps us free. |
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